Approved Vendor Callouts
Approved Vendor Callouts
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Has anyone started to use 'www.vendor.com' - type callouts instead of 'address, phone/fax number' on their drawings? I have my thoughts when I look up a vendor on the net, get all of my information, and then put the name, address and phone number on the drawing, knowing that the purchasing person is going on the net to get ordering information. It seem like it's time to acknowledge the internet as the primary search/procurement tool, no? I mean, who goes to the bookcase and gets the Thomas register out anymore?





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Too much of such detail could result in an ECN every time the vendor changes something.
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Chris
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We don't conform to this, and instead just list Vendor Name and Phone Number (toll free prefered). As others have said, the other details are stored in our MRP/ERP system.
I have yet to see any document change process that flags a drawing to change when the vendor phone, fax or address changes.
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The latest question to Cory is - What kind of business do YOU work in that doesn't use SCD or VID drawings?
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While I have not seen it referred to in any spec (other than company manuals) it is common to put vendor information on assembly drawings, tying the note to a specific item or items in an integral parts list. This is not a big change as it has been done widely for many years in the states, especially on manual drawings. That's not to say it is correct, as information referenced elsewhere in the product documentation should not be included on the drawing. With todays computerized systems, it is hard to imagine that the source is ONLY located on the drawing.
KimBellingrath,
Relative to what standard are you asking your question, or are you simply looking for personal opinions? Does your purchasing department rely solely on the drawing to order parts? If so, then adding the url in addition to the address should be allowable. I think that the address should be required for clarity (in the slim chance that there is more than one company with the same name). It is easier to tie a company to a physical address than a url.
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It's not that purchasing only relies on the drawing but more like it IS in the ANSI spec to show the vendor(s) which they are forced to use, as in the case of a Source Control Drawing. It also helps receiving inspection verify compliance with the SCD callout if they can match up the company name on the drawings with the part marking or shipping paperwork, too.
One thing is worth clearing up here - This does not apply to any random assembly drawing but only to Source Control and Vendor Item Drawings and it is not just a whim to list the vendor name - it's a requirement.
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Because the overwhelming bulk of the documents that engineers/designers/drafters work with are usually part drawings, there is a tendency to want to put all information on the drawing. In most enterprises, there are other controlled repositories for detailed vendor information and other information that is out of place on a drawing (MRP system, QC documentation, work instructions).
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btw, I realize that it is easy to change your url but what company would want to change that without leaving a trail with which to follow them?
Thanks for your input.
Kim
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Virtually all companies I have worked for or contracted to supply an approved supplier list so if you want to buy a certain type of item they say whom it must be sourced from. General items I would not specify like mild steel, screws and the like but say for pneumatics I would just put the company (as specified by the customer) description as per the catalogue or website and the part number. I have never seen it done differently.
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It's funny how some industries have their own processes, no?
If you look at the ANSI spec regarding source control and vendor item drawings, you will see that one has:
'SUGGESTED SOURCE OF SUPPLY' (Vendor Item Drawing)
meaning go where ever as long as you get one of 'these'.
This is for hardware, insulation, gasketing, hose...
and the other has:
'APPROVED SOURCE OF SUPPLY' (Source Control Drawing)
meaning that you must go to this vendor for one of 'these'.
This is used when something that has been qualified through engineering is to be used exclusively because it's characteristics are critical.
Hope this clears things up a little.
Kim
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You can look up cage codes at:
http://www.bpn.gov/bincs/begin_search.asp
Can be a little confusing but good way of putting effectively a lot of info on a drawing.
From what I recall you are correct for source of supply drawings the ANSI gives the address.
Putting the web address, or even the phone number goes against what I was taught but that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong.