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 Fact or Fiction: Dimpled Underbody helps reduction in drag

Chezee350 (Automotive)
9 Feb 06 14:41
i'm sure you've seen the Lexus commerical claiming that a dimpled underbody reduces overall drag on the car, is it true? and how does it do it?

would vortex generators achieve the same benefit?
GregLocock (Automotive)
9 Feb 06 16:45
Hard to say. It probably does no harm, whether it is a statistically significant effect is another matter.

BMW use dimples on their mirrors, so the dimples may work at automotive Reynolds numbers.

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pauljohn (Marine/Ocean)
10 Feb 06 20:32

Works on a golf ball!
GregLocock (Automotive)
10 Feb 06 21:26
And what is the Reynold's number of a golf ball?

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Peter7307 (Structural)
16 Feb 06 2:42
There are several makers now following BMW's lead and using dimples around the external mirror area. Most have fixed the pattern to the mirror support frame where the door window glass meets the A pillar not on the mirror itself.
I was lead to believe BMW originally used the dimples to help reduce wind noise generated by air passing between the mirror body and the A pillar.
patprimmer (Automotive)
16 Feb 06 3:00
Lexus also once ran an ad that claimed they invented headlights that turned with the steering. I remember seeing it on D series Citroen before Lexus was even imagined.

The point, don't necessarily believe everything that Toyota advertises.

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pauljohn (Marine/Ocean)
16 Feb 06 16:42
I've seen headlights that turn with the steering on a 1931 Duesenberg.
dkelly (Automotive)
17 Feb 06 14:21
I have seen headlight that turned with steering on 1912 Harley Davidson.
ArizonaSpeed (Aeronautics)
9 Apr 06 14:47
Tucker had the center headlight turn with the steering.

Regarding the question.. unless there is airflow seperation downstream we're looking to minimize, dimples and vortex generators create a lot of unnecessary drag.  Compare a flat smooth panel under the car, and one with 80 vortex generators sticking out... may help in certain instances, but unless properly engineered, it will likely be a negative.  We're trying to create low pressure under the car, and the extra turbulence may not help too much if you know what I mean.

Regarding the golf ball... let's model vortex generators on a golf ball and compare it to a dimpled golf ball!

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