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kanokkan (Industrial) (OP)
13 Dec 01 1:39
I  am  looking  for  cost   estimation  of  eqiupment  for  modified  starch  plant.  (cost  index  2001)
Helpful Member!(2)  JeffdlS (Industrial)
13 Dec 01 8:55
Hi Kanokkan,

What type of equipment are you wanting to get cost estimations for? Anything in particular?

JeffdlS
Helpful Member!  Baerrufet (Chemical)
28 Apr 02 19:02
The chemical engineering plant cost index ( Guthrie's method) for several equipments can be found in "Chemical Engineering" magazine.
I have not 2001 indexes, and i am looking for them but in febrary '00 were these:

CE Index                  ==========> 391.2
Equipment                 ==========> 435.9
Heat exchangers and tanks ==========> 371.0
Process machinery         ==========> 434.5
Pipes & valves            ==========> 540.5
Process instruments       ==========> 367.1
Pumps & compressors       ==========> 669.3
Electrical equipment      ==========> 338.7
Structural supports       ==========> 409.4
Construction labor        ==========> 292.6
Buildings                 ==========> 384.6
Engineeering & superv.    ==========> 340.3    

Chemical Engineering May 2000.
Helpful Member!(4)  owg (Chemical)
2 May 02 16:25
I have updated my Excel sheet on the CEPCI and I have added Note 2 which provides the detailed breakdown of the index for Jan 2002 (Preliminary). You can download the file from
http://members.rogers.com/fhcurry/CEIRev3.xls
I have not seen such a breakdown for a whole year. I would typically take a set of mid year numbers, say June 2001, but 2001 was not a good year for averaging such statistics. Post again here if you want data for say June 2001.
owg (Chemical)
2 May 02 16:30
Final June 2001 data was published in the Oct 2001 issue of CE.
owg (Chemical)
2 May 02 16:41
You may need to reference the Jan 2002 copy of Chemical Engineering. It contains an article describing how the indices were revised in 2001. It was a major revision and update. So 2001 is a really tough year to deal with.
aersoz (Chemical)
9 May 02 3:26
I am also looking for the same equipments cost estiamtion values. I also need the detailed technical data for the equipments such as heat exchangers, seperatos, combustors, pumps,expanders, compressors etc. .

Does anyone knows about this subject ? I would appriciate if you help me ..

Thank  you

Atilla ERSOZ
PAD123 (Chemical)
9 May 02 23:07
Greetings, try www.matche.com/EquipCost, it has a lot of info. Order of magnitude, but still a good start. I have not been able to find anything else on the web......so far.
aersoz (Chemical)
10 May 02 1:16
Thank you very much PAD123. I know www.matche.com/EquipCost tool. But I dont think they include catalyst cost or additional costs. Anyway, it can be found the company price list catalogs from the internet may be..!

I need some additional info about the technical info according to cost. I have estimated design data for all equipments.

Thank a lot for all helpings,

aersoz -
owg (Chemical)
12 May 02 22:15
Sounds like you need to take your major equipment costs and multiply by a Lang factor to get total installed cost. Lang factors are in the range 4 to 5.
owg (Chemical)
12 May 02 22:18
For more information including Lang Factors check out
http://www.mines.edu/fs_home/rlmiller/capcosts.pdf
Guest (Visitor)
4 Jun 02 3:39
i am looking for cost index for equipment 2002
owg (Chemical)
17 Jun 02 17:44
The cost index CEPCI won't be published until 2002 is over. Then the data has to be collected and processed. Expect the index for 2002 by about May 2003.
Guest (Visitor)
10 Aug 02 9:28
does anyone know where I can get price of different reformers for a methanol plant?
adpollo (Chemical)
15 Jun 03 14:18
Hi!

I opened the http://www.mines.edu/fs_home/rlmiller/capcosts.pdf and refers to certain tables that are not in the file, where I can get them.

Also, I've been trying to open http://members.rogers.com/fhcurry/CEIRev3.xls

but it appears a lot of "funny" simbols, is there any other way I can download the file?

Thanks!
owg (Chemical)
15 Jun 03 15:30
I just checked out http://members.rogers.com/fhcurry/CEIRev3.xls
and it works OK.
Try right mouse, Save Target as, that should download the file to your HDD. Then you can open it in Excel.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

owg (Chemical)
11 Aug 03 9:05
CEPCI for Feb 2003 (final) is 397.2
CECPI for March 2003 (preliminary) is 398.2
CECPI for 2002 was 395.6
A comparison of March 2003 with March 2002 (391.5) shows plant cost inflation running at 1.7% for the 12 month period.
This data is from June 2003 issue of Chemical Engineering.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

owg (Chemical)
13 Aug 03 8:00
I have just updated the graph of CECPI versus year from 1950 to include the value of the CECPI for 2002 which was published in the May, 2003 issue of Chemical Engineering magazine. The graph can be downloaded from http://members.rogers.com/fhcurry/CEIRev3.xls or from the download section of my website.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

owg (Chemical)
17 Aug 03 9:31
I came across a cost estimating program that some of you Lang and Guthrie fans may be interested in. Check out http://www.chempute.com/ftp.htm and download a 15 session maximum, almost fully functional demo of estpro. The help and manual files are worth reading since they discuss the development of the Lang and subsequent Guthrie approach to process plant cost estimating. The program seems out of date with files dated 1998. However it contains indices which allow updating. Give it a look. You could probably run a few real estimates on the demo.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

elbukhara (Chemical)
22 Aug 03 0:40
hi owg..
i try to download the file from http://members.rogers.com/fhcurry/CEIRev3.xls but it just not working. It keeps informed me that the web site does not exist. Actually I'm looking for the cost index (equipment) for 2002, and you said that it could be download from the mentioned website. I've tried so many times but still not there. So, I would like to ask for your kindness to send me this information regarding the cost index to my email address here: zamir_y2k@hotmail.com . That will most appreciated as I really need those information as soon as possible. Thank for your help.
owg (Chemical)
22 Aug 03 9:01
elbukhara - the file has been sent. The link works for me, but others have had problems.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

elbukhara (Chemical)
22 Aug 03 22:30
OWG...I'm very thankful for your quick respond to my requested. It will help me a lot..sometimes I wonder what make you so being a helping person. Maybe that's a nature of yours. Anyway, the information that you gave me is really important for me and my friends. May others help you as much you help them.
sincerely, zamir.
Harg (Chemical)
29 Sep 03 13:38
The link referred to in this thread
http://members.rogers.com/fhcurry/CEIRev...
contains an equation trying to fit cost index data from 1950 onwards to a sixth degree polynomial. Come on! This is not good engineering practice for any such set of data.
1. Most of the parameters in that sixth degree equation are not significant
2. A cost or price index curve should be expected to be exponential, rather than polynomial, as this would be the case for a constant growth rate (or rate of inflation in this case).
3. Looking at the data they seem best described by one exponential (i.e. constant rate of inflation) for the years 1950-80, then a new exp curve (reduced inflation rate) for the years thereafter
4. Any model should be tested by its ability to predict. The polynomial predicts a sharp price increase in 2003 and the years ahead. Is that credible? If you just want to interpolate, a simple linear interpolation between adjacent points will do.

A footnote on item 2: I once saw an attempt to fit gas density vs. temperature (constant pressure) by using a high degree polynomial, disregarding the ideal gas law which tells us that including a 1/T term would explain most of the variation (not to mention the work done on equations of state to model deviations from this ideal behavior). Linear regression (aka curve fitting) is a wonderful tool, but a little insight and critical sense are necessary too.
owg (Chemical)
3 Oct 03 13:35
Harg - Thanks for the constructive criticism. The real message in the link is the point data. I sure would not want to try to predict the future of the economy.  

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

vicenteb (Chemical)
11 Oct 03 19:52
Hello, I really need any way to predict or estimate this year's Index and next year's too... I sure agree that a potencial adjustment to th data is not the best way to do it, so I wonder if the best way is to have a linear adjustment of the las three or 4 points and then calculate this and next year's index...
owg (Chemical)
12 Oct 03 14:30
Governments and banks usually produce predictions for inflation into the near future. That might be a good basis for an estimate of future CECPIs. Since inflation is very low, you won't be far out if you assume 0 to 2% annual inflation. One client has assumed 3% per year for the past few years just to be on the conservative side with project cash flow estimates.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

melloyello9838 (Chemical)
13 Oct 03 1:24
Hi everyone,

I'm having a little trouble finding relatively recent cost estimation data for a jacketed, glass-lined, stainless steel reactor (stirred).  I'd like to estimate the cost for each of several sizes.

Does anyone have any tips?

Much appreciated.


  


melloyello9838 (Chemical)
13 Oct 03 2:28
As a addendum to that post, I'm looking for reactor sizes ranging from 70000Gal to 180000Gal.

This is a little on the large size, but hopefully there's something out there.

Thanks again.
owg (Chemical)
13 Oct 03 9:00
You might be able to deduce a cost curve from http://www.equipnetdirect.com/marketplace/browse/advanc...;.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

chemkitten (Chemical)
15 Apr 04 2:38
Hi All,

Does anyone have the most recent CE value for the plant cost index?  If so, I would appreciate it so much.  Thanks in advance!
owg (Chemical)
18 Apr 04 15:36
The last one I have is for Oct 2003 Preliminary. It is 405.9. This is from Jan 2004 Chem Eng Magazine. I will post a later value tomorrow.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

owg (Chemical)
19 Apr 04 10:17
Most recent CEPCI is Dec 2003 preliminary = 405.7. This is from the March 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. Nov 2003 final index was 403.8.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

MAFS (Chemical)
3 Aug 04 16:49
Hi
I´m looking for a preliminary estimate price for the following equipment, unsuccessfully so far, can anyone help me?
Nauta type mixer (atmospheric/jacketed/10m3)
Steel plate belt for resin cooling/flaking

Thanks
kyoukai (Civil/Environmental)
31 Aug 04 21:57
Does anybody have an updated Chemical Engineering Plant Cost Index? Monthly would be prefereable but annual values are great as well. Thanks.
owg (Chemical)
1 Sep 04 8:20
The latest I have at hand is Feb 2004 preliminary at 434.2 from the May 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. The annual CEPCIs are shown below.
1998 389.5
1999 390.6
2000 394.1
2001 394.3
2002 395.6
2003 401.7 (Just published May 2004)

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

kyoukai (Civil/Environmental)
2 Sep 04 12:26
Thanks! Very helpful.
chemecat (Chemical)
12 Sep 04 9:59
Does anyone have the latest M&S Process Industry Installed Equipment Index?

Or even the M&S All-Industry?

Much appreciated. Cheers.
owg (Chemical)
12 Sep 04 17:16
The latest I have is M&S Equipment Cost Index for 4Q2003, it is 1133.2. It was up only 0.7% from 3Q2003. I won't have later data for a couple of weeks.

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

owg (Chemical)
12 Oct 04 13:50
M&S Equipment Cost Index for 2004 is as follows:
2Q2004 1164.30
3Q2004 1194.00
I missed 1Q2004 but it was about 1136

HAZOP at www.curryhydrocarbons.ca

TangoCleveland (Mechanical)
12 Oct 04 16:04
I noticed a couple questions about forecasting future inflation rates.  Boy, if you could do that, you wouldn't have to work!!

Seriously, I worked for a major petrochem company 25 years ago, and came up with a survey of suppliers for projection of cost increases into the future.  Wasn't very accurate, but it was based on a consistent method.

Larry

jalvarez (Chemical)
12 Oct 04 16:21
Inflation forecasts are like weather forecasts. A good forecaster can make an acceptable good job in a short term forecast, but predicting the mid term is other history.
If you are working in an organization, financial of accounting guys will estimate this for you. When doing an economic analysis of a project, what is normally done is to consider this inflation "forecast" as an allowance.  Later, doing a reapprisal (like to see one) of such economic analysis, you will realize that you never thought that the nickel prices are sky-rocketing, or crude oil has turned down (???).
So, it would be an interesting exercise to start such survey of suppliers here. Any suggestion, Larry?
Have a safe day
J.Alvarez
Hagedoorn (Mechanical)
11 Nov 04 10:37
hi,

Try this link.
http://www.equipnetdirect.com/marketplace/default....

This is a market place for equipment.
It is sometimes handy to get an "idea" of the price.

Raymond Hagedoorn
Cost Engineer

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