Heat losses in buried pipes
Heat losses in buried pipes
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Where could i find some heat transfer coefficients between pipe-wall and ground (buried pipes) ?
Silverstone,
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Heat losses in buried pipes
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there are some soil thermal conductivity values, as for the pipe, that should be no problem with google, you need to know what kinda metal you're dealing with
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
If the temperatue accuracy is important, you may need to test your numbers through experimentation and/or data collection.
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
My problem doesn't concern directly the accuracy of ground thermal conductivity i'll use : i think a mean value between all the available papers data is enough to begin. (I'll study the temperature dependence of the ground thermal conductivty later...)
My quesstion is related to the geometrical difficulty of this kind of problem. To be clearer, i've a 2 meters buried pipe which will be blowdowned from 175 bar to 5 bar in 8 minutes. Length is about 400 meters. I've a fluid dynamics/thermodynamics model for the transient compressible flow of gas in pipe. I have to include, in this model, heat transfers (gas-pipewall and pipewall-ground). I don't know how to calculate heat transfer between ground and pipe because there's no symmetry : there's 2 meters of ground above the pipe and a lots of kilometers of ground below the pipe. Which ground volume have to be taken into account in the ground energy balances ? Is there a way to make this problem easier ?
Silverstone,
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
Silverstone,
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
Perhaps the bigger problem will probably be in determining the heat transfer coefficient(s) between the pipe and the ground, because (if I don’t miss my guess) that pipe is cathodically protected with a coating that insulates the steel from the ground. You will need to find a coefficient(s) that accounts for your type and thickness of coating as well as for the steel and soil.
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
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RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
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Morten
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
You are going from 175 bar to 5 bar in 8 minutes and you're trying to determine flow transient behaviour. Assuming that the gas starts at near ground temperature then in 8 minutes the vast majority of the BTU's of the temperature change of the gas will leave with the vented gas. The thermal-affected zone at the end of the 8 minutes is unlikely to extend through the pipe coating let alone meters or kilometers into the earth. An hour after the event (assuming that the 5 bar gas remains in the pipe "at rest") some small amount of sensible heat will have been transfered from the soil to the gas in the pipe, but at best it is a third-order effect compared to the flow-related temperature and pressure transients.
If you see a 200C temperature change from the blowdown and a 0.1C temperature change from convection to earth (within the 8 minutes) most people would successfully ignore the temperature change to earth and use adiabatic calculations.
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RE: Heat losses in buried pipes
The original published solution curves for the buried pipe problem was by Schlicting, and many older conduction heat transfer texts have these curves. Similar curves are also presented in the ASHRAE handbook. But the modern engineering method is to model it in a finite element program.
RE: Heat losses in buried pipes