Specific Heat of Steel
Specific Heat of Steel
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In figuring out the heat transfer of quenching steel in a water bath is it appropriate to use Q=mCp(Delta T). If so what is the Specific Heat for Steel?
Rich.....
Rich.....
Richard Nornhold, PE
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RE: Specific Heat of Steel
The specific heat in the formula is intended to be the specific heat of the fluid, water (1.0 cal/g-C).
BTW, a good source for material properties is www.matweb.com
ko (www.ecooling.biz)
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
To nornrich,
I'm not a metallurgist, but it seems to me logical to assume there are also latent heat releases resulting from microstructural phase transformations during quenching.
When considering these effects your formula with a constant Cp for steel taken over the whole cooling range doesn't appear right, and ko99's response is the correct one.
It would seem possible that by varying the Cp values over prescribed narrower temperature ranges, so as to include those enthalpy changes in this nonisothermal cooling process, one may help in assessing Q on the steel side.
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
How temperature dependant this is I dont know.
A good source for physical properties can be found at www.matweb.com
Best regards
Morten
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
For AISI 1000 carbon steel its 500 at 50-100 deg C and increases to 1100 at 700-750 deg C.
Check it out yourself. It may vary slightly from alloy to alloy.
Best regards
Morten
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
change internal energy=heat transfer - p*change in volume
dU =dQ -pdV
dU = M* (Cv* dT)
neglecting change in volume of ingot and integrating
The heat transfer is M* integralCvdT
and Cv approx =Cp
How accurately is the initial temp of the ingot known?
ko99 (Mechanical)has a better suggestion. However, If water bath is large enough, neglect its change in volume and measure delta T of water.
The heat transfer calculated to water will be dependent upon mean temp of ingot.
The real interesting part of the problem is that of the overall heat transfer, which is dependent upon temp of ingot and temp of water. When is temp of ingot = to temp of water?
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
in Qw, Cp is for water
in Qi, Cp is for steel.
the problem resides in the temperatures.
the ΔT requires knowing the starting temperature of the ingot... it is easier to know the starting and ending temperature of the water.
also, you will need to evaluate the "equivalent in water of the calorimeter" in your case: the equivalent in water of the water bath.
there are a lot of sources of error for the calculation: sudden vaporization of water in contact with the steel (mass and heat lost to atmosphere)...
but if what you are looking for is a good approximation... using the water should be ok.
saludos.
a.
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
RE: Specific Heat of Steel
The rate of heat transfer is time dependent based on mean temp of water and steel. Neglecting changes in water volume, the overall heat transfer (not rate) will be time dependent.
A plot of the rise in temp of water vs. time will eventually tend to level off. When the rate of change of the rise in water temp is small, the overall heat transfer can be determined. Q=mass of water*specific heat*temp rise
RE: Specific Heat of Steel