Lead Free Solder
Lead Free Solder
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Hello All
As most of you know there is a big movement towards lead free solder. Europian Union has a law that from 1 July 2006 you will not be able to use lead solder ( military, medical, aircraft will be exempt).
My question is that there is only 7 moths till that takes effect and I am unable to find a good lead free solder to use. Is there anyone that knows where and what brand of lead free solder there are on the markets.
I was looking at a sample (can't remeber the brand) lead free solder but the problem with it is that it crackes easily. Basicaly anything I saw out there isn't good enough to use. Since I am from Australia I was unable to find it here.
As most of you know there is a big movement towards lead free solder. Europian Union has a law that from 1 July 2006 you will not be able to use lead solder ( military, medical, aircraft will be exempt).
My question is that there is only 7 moths till that takes effect and I am unable to find a good lead free solder to use. Is there anyone that knows where and what brand of lead free solder there are on the markets.
I was looking at a sample (can't remeber the brand) lead free solder but the problem with it is that it crackes easily. Basicaly anything I saw out there isn't good enough to use. Since I am from Australia I was unable to find it here.





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all on this problem too. They have white papers and lots of info on the subject.
http://www.kester.com/en-us/index.aspx
http://www.alphametals.com/main.asp
http://www.aimsolder.com/ site
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Indium Corp (mainly exotic solders for hybrids)
Multicore Solders
Multicore used to have an excellent technical department. Long time since I was in manufacturing.
You will need to change your inspection criteria when you move to a (probably) tin-based solder. High tin solders are harder and have a duller surface finish than the traditional 60/40 or 60/37.5/2.5 alloys, so you can't use exactly the same assessment criteria.
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One day my ship will come in.
But with my luck, I'll be at the airport!
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zeitghost; Yes another pile of eco-marketing BS.
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Anyway, their business will dissolve, but Europe may be able to more cheaply grind up their own computers and boards and cut out the middle man.
So, it is not good for everyone, but I think it is better fro society as a whole. This is a problem where engineers and chemists, and basic materials people can really help and make a diference.
Anyone out there on the fixing the problem side of the isseue?
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Rejects will go up, margins will go down, good products will be forced to obsolescence, others that used to work well will start to fail because the new solder does not stand the stresses. Small places like mine may just go out of business, but high-volume cell phone and consumer products companies are rubbing their hands, as the sales of the low-cost throw-away consumer stuff will go up because of the bad reliability. What a strange world ahead of us!
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IPC-A-610 D gives inspection critera for evaluating lead free solder
Off the top of my head you should expect to see
Duller Finish
Graininess
Fillet Lift
Fillet Cracking
Different Wetting Angles
Stress marks caused by differing contraction rates
Inspectors and operators will need to be made familiar with these differences, AOI (AVI) machines may need to be reprogrammed or recalibrated in some way
Lead free solders DO work, some large Japanense organisations have been mass manufacturing with them for years, however, they have gone through the pain already.. we've got to it now.
I am currently conducting solder trails using a range of lead-free solders, on various lead free finishes to determine which is the best for our own uses, I'd suggest taht you go down the DOE line for determining what factors are critical to you, what you need to get out of your solder, and how you will evaluate this in a scientific manner.
Get yourself a copy of the IPC standard, and you will soon have everyone working to the same standard (an increasingly internationally recognised one at that), and understanding that the cracks may actually be characteristics of the new materials.
Steve Bull
Quality and Circuit Engineer.
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I personally will consider moving to lead-free solder
about the same time that lead-acid batteries are banned.
Consider the amounts of lead used in each industry.
What's next? Cadmium control? Beryllium limits?
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It can create a new reality show: As the whiskers grow.
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There's the wonderfully named WEE directive...
Too many penpushers with not enough to do.
But hey! all this unreliable electronics is going to keep our friends in China busy building more crap for consumers to buy...
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Felixc
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You can always rely on the know nothing eurocrats to screw you up.
Never mind.
It'll all be built in China anyway...
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It goes something like:
"We're worried about all this electronic stuff going into landfill."
"I know, we'll take the lead out of solder, that'll make things better".
Except that it makes things worse because suddenly everything is unreliable.
So even more stuff ends up in landfill...
Aside from the fact that lead in solder only makes up about 1% anyway.
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Getting back on track to your initial question.
We tried Multicole Solder (for hand soldering)
96SC Crystal 511
96SC Ersin 309
We preferred the 96SC Ersin 309.
In the UK I contacted the multicore tech help: Ian.Williams@uk.henkel.com
He will help you find a source in the Great Oz....
These things are dirty dear though, but we have no choice.
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Storage Batteries 80.81%
Paint, Ceramics, Pigments, Chemicals 4.78%
Ammunition 4.69%
Sheet Lead 1.79%
Cable Covering 1.40%
Casting Metals 1.13%
Brass, Bronze - Billets and Ingots 0.72%
Pipes, Traps, Extruded Products 0.72%
Solder (for non electronics use) 0.72%
Solder (electronics use) 0.70%
Miscellaneous 2.77%
Discard of Lead in Municipal Solid Waste (from EPA):
Lead Acid Batteries 48.1%
Leaded glass in CRT and picture tubes 35.8%
Glass and Ceramics 5.5%
Consumer Electronics (i.e. solder) 4.4%
Plastics 2.5%
Cans, packaging Containers 1.4%
Building waste and other 2.3%
Statistics source - www.cmap.ca
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Well, at least they are leaving aerospace and medical alone.
Does this mean I will be arrested entering the EU to work on a machine and having leaded solder in my tool kit? I'm glad I'm going to France next week and not this summer! Jeez!
Hope the humor is found enjoyable!
Scott
In a hundred years, it isn't going to matter anyway.
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Lead free is going to give the industry a bad name. The reliability of the already flakey consumer products is going to get far worse. Consumers are going to get pretty pissed when their DVD recorder gives up after 13 months! The QA process in some of the Chinese factories is virtually non existant anyway, make the QA more difficult and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that we're heading for disaster. The people that dreamed up this crazy idea *know* that lead free is crap and unreliable, that's why they have made exemptions for aerospace, military and computer server products. The exemptions are a tacit admission that lead free is unreliable. After all, why did we add lead to tin in the first place?
Another point not mentioned here - spare a thought for repair houses. Lead free solder is not compatible with leaded solder. Reworking existing leaded boards isn't going to be an option. It's effectively going to kill the repair business - yet more stuff in landfill. Aren't these European policy makers clever people - not!
Personally, I'm stockpiling leaded solder while it's still freely available. In a couple of years I reckon it will be worth a fortune on Ebay!!
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And drip molten solder on the violators!
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As I recall, and correct me if I am wrong, lead free gasoline was a required evil because of the implimentation of the catalytic converter on vehicles. I was lead (no pun intended) to believe that it would plug the converter.
BTW, I loved the Ebay remark! It's going to be like trying to buy R-12! You'll need to be licensed and pay big $$$ as well.
Scott
In a hundred years, it isn't going to matter anyway.
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Lead poisons the catalytic converter. One tank of leaded gas will write the converter off...
At the moment, if the item for repair uses leaded solder, then you are permitted to use leaded solder to repair it.
I would think that using lead free solder to repair tin/lead joints is less than optimal... and the joint looks dreadful, dull & nasty.
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He says that when Sharp and other LCD mfrs were trying to get the market off the ground for LCD TVs and monitors, they couldn't compete with CRTs on price. So they formed an industry group and funded research on ways to attack the CRT industry that would help create demand for LCD alternatives. They are the ones responsible for the radiation stories, as well as lead stories, hoping to capture the green-conscious consumers as a niche that would pay more for LCDs. They supposedly funded a research project on all the hazmats that go into the manufacture and disposal of CRTs, lead being a chief target.
Then some Green Party activists in the EU got hold of this study and tried to use it for their agenda of forcing a return/recycle fee to be placed on all CRT products to prevent them from getting into landfills and fund cleanup of manufacturing sites. The CRT industry would have been devastated, so they countered by saying that if you ban one source, you need to ban them all, thinking that this would never happen and they could continue as before. They even funded their own studies on other sources of lead, over-emphasizing solder on PCBs, because of course that would hurt the LCD industry.
The unintended consequence of course, was that the Greens added that study to their arsenal, won the day and the unthinkable happened, with all lead based products, including solder, getting banned.
It sounds just Machiavellian enough to be true.
Eng-Tips: Help for your job, not for your homework Read FAQ731-376
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I wonder what the lead impact of the battery banks in the new hybrid cars is and how the lead volumes compare to the lead volumes in solder?
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I couldn't help noticing that grades of lead-free solder weren't as easy to use when soldering by hand - it seemed reluctant to tin the bit. I've sort of got there in the end, by turning up the iron temperature and using a tip cleaner (mixture of solder powder and chemicals) every time I pick up the iron. Somehow the joint doesn't look as good though, more dull in appearance; no idea what the effect is on long-term reliability.
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Lead free requires a hotter iron.
Apparently the stuff with good old activated flux (5 core) is the dog's whatsits according to an article in Television magazine.
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The good old RA and RMA rosin? The one that needs CFCs to clean? Aargh!
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There is no better solder for creating beautiful clean solid joints then ol Kester "44". When I really have a problem joint I reach for it. But cleaning it without some CFC is a nightmare.
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It is interesting that we all have the same thought on this topic. I just can't understand why doesn't the industry stand up and tell EU that what they are trying to do is irrational. May be if we all started protesting they would have to listen. I know that someone will profit from this lead free solder movement. But us everyday people will be worse off. I agree with you all and I will go and stockpile some 60/40 and no one will take the lead away from me.
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"On top of the world, ma"
(all in a Jimmy Cagney accent)...
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I just received a batch of lead-free PC boards. Immersion gold process. I don't know what happened, but the wicking of the solder to the gold is very ugly. (the previous batch was absolutely magnificient) They will require lots of touch-ups. Lead-free, yeah!
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re: ammunition... I remember reading somewhere that the US Army is switching over to lead free ammo. I think it uses tungsten as a mass to propel.
I agree, RoHS is a poor way to attack a very small percentage of a dubious problem.
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Extracted from "Ask Dr ROHS" in Electronics Weekly
"Dear Dr ROHS,
We use SAVBIT solder to connect 0.05mm self fluxing enamelled wire to terminals in small transformers. if we use conventional solder, the surface of the copper dissolves into the solder so the wire is necked just where it enters the joint, making the wire extremely fragile and easily damaged.
The high copper content (1.5%) of SAVBIT prevents this happening. We have tried various ROHS compliant solders including one with 3% copper and none are as good as SAVBIT. Can you offer any suggestions?
Elsewhere in the same transformer, we use high melting point solder which contains more than 85% lead, apparently we can continue to sue this. Can one obtain a similar concession for SAVBIT?"
The Reply from Dr ROHS:
"There is no clear answer unless your assembly is only used in ROHS exempt products.
Finding a solder with even higher copper content is a possibility.
If the assembly can withstand 300C, the high melting point solder used elsewhere is also a possibility and would be legal.
Tinning the wire with HMP solder then soldering it to the assembly with lead free solder would produce a non compliant mix.
Can you first plate the wire with a barrier material like nickel and then solder with lead free solder?
Applying for an exemption like the one for HMP solder is a lengthy process and is unlikely to be granted by the ROHS deadline, although if there is no technical alternative you could have a case."
So there we have it: give up & build it all in China
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http://www.buchmann.ca/Article16-Page1.asp
(98% recycled in the US). On the other hand, lead in solder never gets recycled probably. I'm not defending lead-free solder though.
Re the use of lead in ammunition, it has of course been banned here in the EU because of fears of high lead accumulation in people who are shot frequently.
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I wonder how many cell phones it takes to equal the weight of one car battery?
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I think lead free solder is somehow temporarily exempt in aviation applications because hair like crystals grow out of the solder joints and cause shorts.
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I am willing to bet that there will be many small manufcturers that either, stop shipping to the EU, or just lie and claim Pb free. Who's even going to be checking?
-Bill
CE Designer Forum
www.cedesigner.com
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Did you really hear this or are you just jerking our chains?
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Check this link.
http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/electronics/act2003/
Steve
Quality and Circuit Engineering
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As far as I can tell this is what Europe should have done! Establish an e-waste stream and deal with it. Instead of trying to ban a useful element "and see what happens".
I do hope they don't look at RoHs and think I guess that's what we should do too.
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Tucked away on P43 of the latest proposed version of the Electronic Waste Recycling Act (14 Feb, 06) is this little gem:
" (c) The materials reporting shall include:
1) An estimated average amount in milligrams for mercury, cadmium, lead, hexavalent chromium, including theri alloys and compounds, and PBBs used in covered electronic devices, and all their component parts by product category.
2) estimates may be based on either physical testing or maximum tolerance levels of the material in product design specifications.
3) An explanation of the methodology used to estimate data"
Funny they should require specifics on exactly the same materials that we Europeans are getting our panties twisted up over.....
Steve
Quality and Circuit Engineering
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http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=136031
Steve
Quality and Circuit Engineering
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