dead-end water mains
dead-end water mains
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Hi,
Does anyone know of an industry/federal-level reference for the maximum length of dead-end water mains - mains on the order of 8" to 12" in diameter? Thank you, Garrett
Does anyone know of an industry/federal-level reference for the maximum length of dead-end water mains - mains on the order of 8" to 12" in diameter? Thank you, Garrett





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While perhaps the preeminent reson for this sort of precautionary guidance is concern for water quality, I believe ASCE additionally explained in the publication, "Pressure Pipeline Design for Water and Wastewater" that dead end conditions can also result in "unexpected high pressures" (I guess as a result of a sort of superposition of pressure waves in the area of the dead-end). Perhaps these concerns would be heightened in some situations with increasing length of the dead-end, and the answer to any specific design situation might lie in what acceptable level of water quality and provisions for surge can be expected/assured for the situation..
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The first is reliability. It is desirable to feed water to any location in the system from at least two directions. That way, during an emergency or routine shut down of one line, service can be provided from the other direction.
Second when water is fed from two dircetions to something like a fire hydrant velocities and friction losses will be lower. This saves energy and cost.
The real answer to your original question may be found by analyzing the system for the maximum required flow and residual pressure at the end of the dead end line. Usually this is the required fire flow which on most public systems will be on the order of 1000 to 500 gpm and the minimum pressure is usually required, by health standards, to be 20 psig.
good luck
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I have always seen very short ones usually just after the last lateral. There is also a cement thrust block used to prevent the end from coming off due to water pressure.
Remember Mulholloand
When he built the water line ftom the California desert to supply Los Angeles in the 1920's there was a large section (30-40 miles?) that collapsed due to a vacuum created in the main. The flowing water hit a dead end and reflected back creating a negative pressure in the pipe.
Regards
Dave
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I don't think reliability enters the equation here - the line has to be sized appropriately regardless of other considerations. The City has experienced enough complaints regarding water taste and appearance that they decided to establish a maximum volume in a dead end lead.
In terms of looping there is no question it is the best way to go if possible. The main reasons it is not feasible are typically economic; i.e. it is cheaper to run a single larger line than a looped smaller line if the length is 1/2 for the larger line.
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Is there any chance they were referring to some sort of fire fighting capacity (to leave some level of actual or theoretical residual pressure in the mainline) and maybe "left a zero" off that??
If you had pretty low pressure to begin with in some areas, I can see you might not want much length of say 6" pipe (say to provide 1,000 gpm?) in a firefighting dead-end (not to mention worries of surge with at least with some piping materials).
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I guess I see at least now what you/they are talking about -- a 6" nominal inside diameter pipe, 68 feet limit long as if it were e.g. a storage tank would have a volume of about 100 gal., and an 8" 38 feet long about the same (while I guess this could conceivably have something to do with turnover/water quality, I must profess I don't know exactly where the 100 gallons of capacity comes from to set these lengths).
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I understand the water-supply principles behind the avoiding of dead-end mains. What puzzles is the lack of a scientific and quantifiable basis for just how long a dead-end main can be, according to the various contingencies.
We all know that dead-ends are not desirable, and should be avoided, but at what point are they _unacceptable_ to the civil engineer? And why?
If the client asks, "Can we make that dead-end main 50 feet longer?", and I say "No", he asks "Why?".
Apparently the only answer to the question is in terms of policy and rules-of-thumb, not a reasoned industry standard supported by calculations.
Thank you again for the responses. If further information presents itself, it would be much appreciated.
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For example if you have a 200' long dead end main, a normal static pressure of 65 psi where the main tees into another main and you know the flow required (usually the fire flow) is 500 gpm and the lowest permitted residual pressure is 20 psi you can calculate the head loss in that main for 500 gpm. If that head loss is less than 45 psi (65-20) then you know the main can deliver at least 500 gpm. If the head loss is more then the main can only deliver something less than 500 gpm and probably needs to be up-sized. Do the math and you'll get a "feel" for how it all works.
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hmmm. About a Mile of main at that..
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The main issue with a single feed is going to be head loss (for fire flow) and maintenance (e.g. how are you going to fix a break without interrupting service for an extended period of time). But single feeds are done all the time.
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Thanks for the clarification.. I feel better now! 8^)
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Though water drawn from the end of the main is constant, the demand is small in proportion to the volume of water in the main. This raises water quality issues, even if there is sufficient fire-fighting pressure.
Does anyone have a definition for "dead-end main"? There doesn't seem to be agreement on the exact meaning of the term.
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1. Water quality.
2. Any (re-bounding etc.) surge effects (e.g. from a blanked/buttressed pipe end or closed valve).
3. Adequate supply and fire flow (and tolerable effects of same).
4. Reliability (with first proper use of available isolation valving, how many customers/what level of fire protection etc. will be affected by a problem or maybe even cataclysmic event? anywhere in the system, and for how long?)
I actually remember hearing of an instance many years ago where one un-looped line of nearly two miles of 12" piping was reportedly at least initially supplying water to only one house trailer at the far end. This was a "single feed" I guess in more ways than one, main but from a practical point of view I think it was pretty much a "dead end" that required flushing. I believe water at every point in an open loop is basically/nearly always moving, one way or another and with some velocity, whereas there would generally be less dependable movement at least near the far end of a single feed or dead end main. A word (with perhaps at least unattractive connotations?) that might be attributed to water not moving is of course "stagnant". It appears also a break near the supply end of a “single feed” main could conceivably shut that entire main down (as well as water supply/fire protection to everything it serves) until it is fixed.
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The main issue is water quality. You will have to perform the hydraulics to size the line for the existing or future flows. The latter is what can cause quality problems. If the line is sized for a large future flow; but, a low flow will exist for a time, the water can become stagnant.
As rconner stated in the last response, the water will become stagnant in an unlooped line if it is not flushed from the line (by users or a flushing hydrant) in a timely fashion. Stagnation can cause low chlorine residual, bacteria, odors, colors, etc. depending on the type of water being placed into system.
Looping the line will allow it to transfer water from one part of the system to another and potentially keep it fresher. Running two lines side by side from adjacent locations and tying them together at the end will not improve the quality as the water is from the same location and will not move through the pipe except when the users on that line draw water.
There is no scientific calculations to determine the length that I know of; but, often I will determine how much water the pipe will hold and based upon the existing flow see how many days storage are in the line. Then depending on the estimated time that the line will be in low flow condition, I will advise the client that they will have quality problems. They may decide to institute a flushing program for that line (even if its based upon complaints) or they can decide to install a smaller line now and upsize it later when the high flow conditions arise.
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The single biggest case of dead ends is still fire hydrant leads. When you flush one that has been sitting for a while the first water that comes out is pretty nasty.
I think common sense is probably the best solution when you face changing demand conditions due to new development. If looping is not feasible economically then a flushing program is appropriate.
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Thanks for your excellent comments. As to your statement, " Running two lines side by side from adjacent locations and tying them together at the end will not improve the quality as the water is from the same location and will not move through the pipe except when the users on that line draw water...", I of course in offering my hypothetical suggestion of two new parallel mains (perhaps even in the same trench) did not know exactly what "tie in" sources were available for the new parallel mains. If the tie in is to the same trunk main and say only a few feet apart on same, I suspect you are correct that there could be little flow through the new narrow loop except as varied demand around same dictates. However, if there happened to be say a couple mains in a major street ROW (say across the street from each other), with say even a slight distribution pressure difference, where one end of the narrow loop could be connected to each, would there not be a flow created through the new narrow loop, even when NO customers are drawing water from same?
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stee pipe manual...M11...?...M41..??). Often times the owner (if a publilc works agency) will tell you what system pressure to use.
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In most cases it would probably be reasonably safe to use the specified utility test pressure for the new main as the thrust restraint design pressure in thrust length caluclations per AWWA Manual M41. If one line is installed to a "dead end", the thrust at the dead end or for that matter against the backside of cut in tee(s) or closed valve is of course "full bulkhead" thrust or PxA (design pressure in psi x cross-sectional area of the pipe in in2). If a narrow loop were installed instead to a return bend at its end, I believe the thrust at the return bend is in effect twice that of a dead-end (or 2PA). At any thrust foci the magnitude of total thrust must of course be withstood by concrete reaction blocking and/or a determined length of restrained joint piping.
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"9.2.7 Dead-end mains shall not exceed 183 m (600 ft) in length for main sizes less than 250 mm (10 in.) in diameter."
This is an industry standard as regards fighting fires. Any other industry/federal-level standards would be appreciated.
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It appears this thread has found perhaps the most notable or detailed guidance on this basic subject to focus on fire protection (that was of course not specifically mentioned in the intitial inquiry). In this specific regard, I believe that there is now also a relatively new (first edition 1989, but now in its third printing) AWWA manual "M31", "Distribution System Requirements for Fire Protection". It appears this roughly 60 page manual highly stresses the importance of "dual" (providing both water supply and fire protection) system "reliability", and I noticed the first thing it mentioned when it talked about "out of service conditions" was "loops". While not an issue in your case but perhaps of general interest of those reading this thread, I noticed it also states (on the very first page of Chapter 1 "Fire Flow Requirements") , "The most significant aspects are: installing and maintaining fire hydrants, providing adequate storage capacity, and meeting requirements for minimum pipe sizes (e.g. 6-in. [150-mm] pipes in loops and 8-in. [200-mm] dead ends) in neighborhood distribution mains when much smaller pipes would suffice for delivery of potable water only."