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Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
Well, after several crash and even more failures I decided to see if you folks have any suggestions on how to make step drill hole in the top face of a part made from hex bar stock?  Even one hole with drill point at 90 would be a vast improvement.  The hole wiz is a total failure as soon as you come off the centerline, angled.  Thank you in advance to anyone who helps me find a solution here.  
PS  I am extremely new to SW so please keep it simple as possible, because I am lost in this ___ ___ system.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Put in a plane at an angle and use that to start your hole using hole wiz

Bradley

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
Thank you for the response, Bradley.  Already tried that and failed, many times.  Both at 30 degrees and 90 degrees, and the 30 degree was just a simple drill thru.  I am from the UG world where almost everything is working correctly. which is just the opposite of what I am getting with SW.  I am sorry, but I have never worked on such a bugged up piece of software in my life.  This is just another bad bug, and it was easy to do this in UG.  Well, if there are any other suggestions, I would really apprechiate hearing them, thanks again.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Quest. What version are you using now.

I did, as Brad suggests and here are the steps I followed... I'm using SW05-SP4

1. Sketching on the top plane, I use the polygon sketch tool, then extrude.

2. Using my mouse, I select one of the edges of the polygon. With the edge highlighted, I insert reference geometry => Plane. Choosing the Angular offset option, I set to 30 deg, then select one of the ajacent faces to the edge I previously selected. This creates a plane normal to the edge.

3. I highlight the plane with my mouse. With the plane highlighted I use the hole wizzard to insert a hole... and wallagh....  

I tried it also w/o selecting the plane in step, and It did not work for me... Kept asking for me to define the sketch........ but when I make the hole wizzard sketch on the 2D plane I created, it worked just fine....


Maybe this will help....


I too am new to SW (From Catia)... It gets easier...

Wes C.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Quote (quest4k):

The hole wiz is a total failure as soon as you come off the centerline, angled.   ...PS  I am extremely new to SW so please keep it simple as possible, because I am lost in this ___ ___ system


Quote (quest4k):

...I am from the UG world where almost everything is working correctly. which is just the opposite of what I am getting with SW.  I am sorry, but I have never worked on such a bugged up piece of software in my life.  This is just another bad bug, and it was easy to do this in UG.

From someone who is extremely new, you are slamming SW pretty hard.  Which version of SW are you using?  Do you have the latest SP?  It might come down to user error because I am not having any trouble with doing what you want to do.  

You may have to come to terms with doing things a little different than UG.  I used Mechanical Desktop for several years.  I am now on SW 2005, SP4.0, and MDT 6 can do some things better than SW, and SW can do some things better than MDT 6.  That's just the nature of the beast, and without proper training on the user's part, ALL new users will stumble for awhile.

Flores

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

I have a standard statement..."just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done"...

From a former professor's standpoint after watching 30 years of students:  "garbage in, garbage out"...computers just do what you tell them.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
Thank you folks for the responses.  I am using SW5 with SP4 installed.  I have already tried most of the suggestions above and nothing worked and I crashed twice.  As for the "slamming" of SW, what would you say about a piece of software that crashes alot and cuts your production rate by about 400% or more?  I can't do 1/10 of the things I could do in UG or in Intergraph, without ever crashing.  I am now going to try a profile on a plane and revolve cut this thing and maybe that will work.  Thank you again for the suggestions.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

You have to get UG out of mind.
Have you checked your hardware against SolidWorks guidelines?
Have you had proper SW training?
If not, I suggest going thru the tutorials.

Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
SolidWorks 05 SP3.1 / PDMWorks 05
ctopher's home site (updated 06-21-05)
FAQ559-1100
FAQ559-716

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Chris is right, you have to forget what you know about UG, and start fresh.  Being extremely new to SW, your frustration level is understandable.  An experienced SW user would probably be just as frustrated with UG when just starting out.  Be patient, follow the tutorials, and keep an open mind while trying the suggestions given here.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

"what would you say about a piece of software that crashes alot and cuts your production rate by about 400% or more? "

I call it UG....or any cad for that matter. I had UG reboot my computer 3 times a couple of days ago with no warning. I get internal errors, corrupt sessions, dangling dimensions, and broken blends (fillets) quite often. And we do small assemblies (5-10 parts), I don't know how large companies like GM make it with huge assemblies, I guess they such ties to UG, they can get bug fixes quick.

Back to your original question, create the plane, preselect it, then select the hole Wizard. This creates the location of the hole as a 2d sketch rather thana 3d sketch which will probably work better for what you're doing.

Jason

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

It takes experience, modeling discipline, and good file management to create large assys in UG.  The same can be said of SW.  Once you get the procedures down, it is amazing how powerful it can be.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

UG has more tools for dealing with large assemblies, they just aren't easy to use or setup. Swx seems to go with the hands off approach with lightweight which would work well if they get it working 100%.

Jason

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

I just picked the faces first, then used the hole wizzard.  I didn't have to make any planes or anything, I just picked the top face, or a hex side, then hit the hole wizzard button.  I used a countersink and counterbore hole here, and intentionally made them off-center.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8972/hexbar8us.jpg

Flores
SW 2005 SP 4.0

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

If you are crashing for no apparent reason, I would suspect a faulty SW install.
Solution ... Check FAQ559-507, FAQ559-908 & FAQ559-488.

Alternatively you may be doing things totally incorrectly & confusing the Hell out of SW.
Solution ... Work through the Online Tutorials in the SW Help section &/or get proper training from your VAR.


There are probably other ways to do what you want, but this is my preferred method:-
1) Create the angled plane.
2) Select the plane, then select the HW icon. This will place a point at the postion where you selected the plane.
3) Select the Legacy tab & set the hole sizes as required.
[img=http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/8351/holewizardlegacy18yn.jpg]

4) Drag the point to approximately where it needs to be, then constrain it by adding dimensions.
[img=http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/2964/holewizardlegacy27zr.jpg]

5) Click Finish
[img=http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/425/holewizardlegacy32rv.jpg]


Helpful SW websites every user should be aware of FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
Thank you again for the input.  I have had the "training" in SW and it was not anything that I would ever use here, it was strickly by the book.  I will give it one last shot with that hole wiz, but me and it do not get along very well, except one horizontal drilling.  And the crashing has to do with the way SW name its' temp files, the oneswith a ~ in the name are the problem, so I have to constantly delete the temp file.  That is the work around.  Thanks again, I am off to se the wizard, no pun intended.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

That file has nothing to do with crashing, it's simply a text file containing your windows login name so that other users that open your file get a message telling them the file is only available for red-only access and "name" has it open.

What operation is causing the crash or is it random.


Can you post a pic of what you're trying to do? Or give us the steps you're going through.

Jason

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Guys, I don't think we should jump all over quest4k. He is just frustrated with the software (which really means decreased functionality due to skill level with sw). We've all been there.

Obviously the switch from UG was not of his choosing, but that said, quest4k, we are here to help smooth your transition any way we can, but you just have to stick with it a bit. I have moments where I HATE SW, and am screaming for CATIA, and moment, where I wipe my brow in releif that I am now using SW.

It takes time. But it'll come around. They all have their good point and thier bad points. At least you have worked in 3-D. MY office is transitioning a number of engineers from autocad to 3-D...

The remaining temp files after a crash will decrease dramatically if you are able to work locally.

Wes C.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
Thank you all again for the input, I think I have it working now.  It was the reference plane that caused all of the trouble.  As for the crashes, they happen randomly and at anytime and during any procedure.  The installation of SP4 helped reduce the number of crashes alot and the deletion of the temp files helps also.  Maybe SP5 will improve it some more.  Well it is time for me to go out to the search and now I am going to find out about mirroring and hiden lines in drawings.  Never any rest for the wicked.  Thanks again.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

I didn't mean to come off harsh, if I did I apologize. I use UG primarily now (little over a year now) so I feel the cad transition pain.

Anyway, post you computer specs, perhaps the crashing problem lies there. Also, what type of work are you modeling? Complex geometry, large assemblies? There may be some Solidworks type tricks we can help you out with. Since I have UG under my belt now, I can probably help you bridge the gap in UG to Swx terminology and tell you whether Solidworks has an equivalent function.

Jason

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
Thank you again for your response, Jason.  I have had the tech people where we bought the software look at it and one of there techies has the same problem, but running Open GL and clearing the temp files cured her problem.  Not so lucky here and they know it.  Types of parts, well we are poster child for parametrics.  We work in huge families of parts, kind of like the parts you see on your gas grill, on the hose and regulator.  All kinds of medical fittings also like you see on breathing devices.  We families of nipples and they are just a half inch long the the previous version and then we do the same thing in chrome plate and repeat and then again in stainnless steel.  That could be a family of thirty or fourty parts.  And if that ain't enough then we have a few customers that want something similar, but slightly different length or something.  I hope I made myself clear here, we are a major manufacturer of compressed gas fitting.  I am the one who is supposed to load the model on the manufactured side.  once I am done then the assembly people will go to work.  That is where the larger files will exist, mine are not to complex, yet, just tricky.  Well, I have to now start searching for some info on mirroring and hidden lines in drawings and my they are not there. Thanks.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

I work for a Medical(orthopedic implants) company using UG and everything here is parametic. I'm just not crazy about UG's Family of Parts function. It saves out each member to a separate file and it's a bit of a pain to do assemblies that are families. Layers, Ref Sets, Arrangements are all very confusing. Solidworks configurations just seem way easier and simplier for handling familes and it's all together in one file, plus it's easy to create a quick config and start altering dimensions and features. Oh well...I digress.

What are you trying to find regarding mirroring and hidden lines?

Jason

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
I took me a few minutes to catch on to the layers in UG, then I took a 3 day course at CadPro and they sat down we me and really went into it after the class was over and they made sure I really understood it and then helped me make a seed file with the layers and the layer name all in it.  After that everything became very standardized here.  As for SW.  This part, it is a tee-coupler, made out of 1-1/8 Hex brass, so both ends are identical.  So I made the front half and add a plane and mirrored the back half.  Looked great, so I add a configuration and I sectioned off a quarter of the part.  In the drawing, I imported the left view and then I imported the front view and in the properties I changed it from full view to section view, all is still well.  I turn on some hidden lines in properties and all is still well.  Then I went to the front view and I started to turn on some hidden lines there and suddenly the hidden lines of the thru hole would not appear and if I turn on the hidden lines of the mirror everything appears, including the threads, which I did not want and I can not get it to stop.  Any thoughts or suggestions on this will be deeply appreciated.  Thanks.

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

Can you start a new threads for the Mirroring & Hidden Lines questions. It'll make it easier to search for later.


Helpful SW websites every user should be aware of FAQ559-520
How to get answers to your SW questions  FAQ559-1091

RE: Newbie Need Help with Drill a 90 degree Step Drill Hole

(OP)
No problem, concider it done.

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