Paper Space/Model Space help
Paper Space/Model Space help
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I'm new to this site. I've been reading through looking for guidance. I've worked on AutoCad for 16 years. MicroStation 12 years and a few other smaller cad packages. NEVER have I worked for a company that has a client that uses Paper Space...until now. We just got a client that uses it. I'm lost. I just can not comprehend it. Could someone please help get started on setting up a file?? I've read...and re-read subjects within the AutoCad HELP and I still don't get it.
I know...everyone out there is going to think I'm a loser idiot...but we all have some sort of hangup somewhere along the way we struggle with. I am certain I can do this with some guidance. Help....
I know...everyone out there is going to think I'm a loser idiot...but we all have some sort of hangup somewhere along the way we struggle with. I am certain I can do this with some guidance. Help....





RE: Paper Space/Model Space help
An easy way to look at this is to imagine the Title block/border is a window frame, and the model space is the view through the window. If you have been used to using Model Space before then you proberly have your title blocks there. When in Model Space, copy this (useing menu>edit>copy) and then click on the layout tab at the bottom of AutoCAD. Paste the Title block into the Layout Tab, and then make sure(resize it) it is the same size as the printable area of what ever printer/paper is being used (1:1 scale). Within the layout view there should be a rectangle. Drag and resize this to the inner dims of your drawing title/border. If you double click in this area, you will be in Model space where you can draw the components or assemblies.
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RE: Paper Space/Model Space help
One of the real beauties of splitting the model from the printout is that it is trivial to print a detail from a complex drawing at a different scale. I got some drawings from an old-time draftsman who had built all of a site-drawing except for the dimensions and text in model space. Then he went to a layout in paper space and did his diminsion (with the text override feature to turn 1.5 inches into 160 ft on the dimension). It looked pretty good on paper, but it was a real hassel for him to do the overrides and for me to add a pump and tank to the drawing. I went into model space and replaced the dimensions and labels and sent it back to him to see an easier way--the next drawing I got from him was done with the dimension overrides again. It is a hard topic to internalize, but it is well worth the work.
Remember, you can have as many layouts as you need. It is very easy to build a Letter-size, Tabloid-size, and "D"-size version of the same model. This powerful stuff.
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
www.muleshoe-eng.com
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RE: Paper Space/Model Space help
In the layer manager ,add a layer and call it " viewport", This will be the edge of your Viewport border( viewable area on the paper) . Make it your current layer then go to: Insert-layout,new layout wizard.follow the steps .
After you have done that click on the viewport border look at the scale on your viewport tool bar. Notice the drop down menu , now you can select a, different scale from the drop down menu Also from the tool bar menu you can select a differnt view and change the scale .
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Happy paper space
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I find it convenient to put dimension & text in model space (this on 2-D drawings)- easier to fit things in that way, at least for me. If I have 2 or 3 details of different scale, I just define additional dim styles for those scales.
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I agree with the "model goes in model space. NOTHING else, EVER".
Flores
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Oh, one responder mentioned that they couldn't believe that there's people not using paper space in today's cad world. I've worked for four different engineering firms over the last 16 years (for the one I'm currently working for five years) and NONE have used paper space.
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Flores
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I've had the same experience... most "legacy" ACAD users have never migrated to paperspace. Their loss, I say. Since 2000, I can't imagne why anybody would not use paperspace except out of stubborness or simply too time-crunched to learn it.
Question: Being in electrical/power, are most of your drawings schematics, PIDs, etc?
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there u go i hope this help out old and new users of autocad. regards kev
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I use Release 2004. As for the drawings, I work on substation/switch yard scale drawings for a large utilities company in the south. It services many states. I don't work on non-scale elec schematics, one-lines, or diagrams.
My drawings involve placement of large pieces of equipment such as breakers and transformers. I can already see how paper space is going to make my life easier.
Though I've been doing cad for years, one can always learn something new.
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Another little tidbit: Check the viewport properties and note the difference between "Viewport locked" = yes vs no. If yes, you can go into model space from your viewport (see the little "model" or "paper" button at the bottom of your screen?) and zoom/pan and not destroy your layout. With "no", zooming destroys your scale.
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VF freezes the layer that the viewport borders are on
VT thaws the layer that the viewport borders are on
VL locks all viewport
VU unlocks all viewport
Very handy!!