Foundation Underpinning
Foundation Underpinning
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Have used this fix once before in a situation where contractor screwed up and had to come up with something. This time I think it lends itself to the application. Wanted to know if anyone had any opinions on my methodology.
Have an old brownstone that has brick walls in pretty bad shape. They are lowering the existing on grade floor level about 18" to below the bottom of the existing wall/ftg. My only role is to create a detail for the lowering of the foundation. Im trying to avoid the typical fix of shoring the wall and adding a new footing and wall below the existing walls in sections because I want to minimize disturbance to the existing walls, save the contractor the hassle of doing this, and also the walls are shared with the adjacent building. I proposed cutting the soil flush with the face of the wall down to the proper elevation and putting a 12" concrete retaining wall with the footing reversed(on inside of building) to essentially act as permanent sheet piling and confine the soil. The back of the new wall will be in contact with the face of the old wall. I would worry about wall rotation/movement causing a loss of confinement and analyze the whole thing as a retaining wall with a surcharge from the exisitng footing loads but im not overly concerned with a 12" concrete wall only going 18" deep.
Have an old brownstone that has brick walls in pretty bad shape. They are lowering the existing on grade floor level about 18" to below the bottom of the existing wall/ftg. My only role is to create a detail for the lowering of the foundation. Im trying to avoid the typical fix of shoring the wall and adding a new footing and wall below the existing walls in sections because I want to minimize disturbance to the existing walls, save the contractor the hassle of doing this, and also the walls are shared with the adjacent building. I proposed cutting the soil flush with the face of the wall down to the proper elevation and putting a 12" concrete retaining wall with the footing reversed(on inside of building) to essentially act as permanent sheet piling and confine the soil. The back of the new wall will be in contact with the face of the old wall. I would worry about wall rotation/movement causing a loss of confinement and analyze the whole thing as a retaining wall with a surcharge from the exisitng footing loads but im not overly concerned with a 12" concrete wall only going 18" deep.






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I would not do what you describe. As PSlem indicated, the dirt you are digging away retains the dirt under the foundation wall and its footing. You need to underpin the foundation in sections to below the new, lower, bottom of slab grade. I would not make a continuous 18" deep, vertical excavation (or any continuous excavation for that matter) immediately adjacent to and below an existing foundation that could easily be bearing at 2000 psf to 3000 psf or more. The dirt under the foundation SHOULD collapse. Even if it only MAY collapse, that is too risky.
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I intended to address this by doing the work in sections of a few feet. Any advice on a reasonable length to do it would help. Also, we have problems with shoring the wall, as it is shared with an adjacent building and we will not be able to put any sort of horizontal beams thru the wall as one end would be in the neighbors house. I would like to include some more contingencies for safety but am having a hard time coming up with them. I could potentially have them brace the wall with posts at 45 degrees. I also thought about temp or permanent sheet piling against the vertical cut but think its cost is way too high for the size of the project. Also, the contractors are not experienced in this type of stuff. I am going to include a note to fill any soil voids with grout or the concrete pour. If the finished product seems like a reasonable way to do this, any advice on making the construction procedure safer/better would be appreciated.
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You do not need to needle through the wall into the neighbor's basement. You could use pit underpinning. Refer to Winterkorn & Fang's Foundation Engineering Handbook. It has a good discussion on underpinning methods.
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I believe Chance also makes a similar system. There are many contractors thru the US that do this type of work and it is fairly economical.
Good luck!
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If you install some simple pit underpinning, you won't need the helical piers and the underpinning is the foundation wall. And, you never undermine too much of the existing wall at any one time.
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Both methods could be priced out to determine which way to go.
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jjeng2's original post said the wall is a party wall shared by occupants on both sides of the wall. I don't think it would be possible to work on both sides of the wall.
jjeng2,
You don't seem to want any free advice. You seem to want someone to say it's OK to do it your way. I can't.
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Not at all. I appreciate all the advice. There are difficulties with every scenario we come up with. I spent two hours at the site with the contractor trying to figure out what to do. The least difficult in several ways was what I had originally proposed and basically I am just trying to figure out if there is some way to make it work. I wouldnt have asked for advice if I knew there werent problems. I had thought about putting in sheet piling and using it as the back form of the wall but I am trying to minimize disturbance/vibration as the wall is not in good shape. It is out of my scope but I strongly advised them to repair and repoint the walls before doing this. I could alwalys tell them to shore the walls and just build a new foundation under it in sections but we dont know what we are going to find with the neighboring wall and I felt that might disturb the wall more than a vertical flush cut. Ill just keep thinking about it. If anyone comes up with something let me know. Thanks.
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Call Moretrench Geotec at 973-627-2100. They do underpinning, sheeting, tieback anchors, micropiles, dewatering, etc. Ask for Tom Tuozzolo (ext. 217) or Ken Chadwick (ext. 213). Moretrench is in Rockaway, NJ. I've done many designs for them.
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is it possible to not deepen the FULL size of the basement? Say deepen only within a distance of existing foundation. You may not get the full floor area on the basement, but you will get some, and save the costs of fancy shoring & earthwork and the like.
or perhaps I have misunderstood what you are trying to do.
DRW
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Great idea as most have been and I did consider it. But it is not an option as this is a small space and they already were complaining about losing the 2 feet because of the new wall. Obviously if we could do that it would solve all the problems. This is why this has been so frustrating. Every possible solution that I have come up with or seen presents a problem.
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A variation on this problem led to this solution:
Make multiple "potholes" under the wall to the depth desired for the new footing. Make them, say, 2' wide, and space them at 6' centers.
Fill the space under the wall with extra-lean concrete (aka "controlled density fill" or "CDF"). This is a very flowable low-cement content mixture that when cured, can still be worked with hand tools.
When this is cured, excavate adjacent similar-sized holes, and repeat; then repeat for the remaining holes.
When all are cured, you can then trim the face of the CDF flush with the face of the wall; sometimes this can be done even with a flat-bladed shovel. The CDF will have an f'c of perhaps 200-300 psi; take the allowable strength in compression fairly low, say, 50 psi. 50 psi x 144 =7.2 ksf, which should be plenty for support of the brick wall.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I think that is a start of a way to potentially do this. Does anyone have any other advice/experience/comments of this method?
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Ive alreaddy scrapped that idea because the wall will also be acting as a retaining wall. Ive spoken with two contractors and nobody wants to touch this one so Im in the process of trying to find the client an engineer who specializes in underpinning and get this off of my hands.
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You may want to try:
Latorre Construction Concrete & Mason Contractors
357 Monroe Avenue
Kenilworth, NJ 07033
Ph: 908-497-1400
Mr. Carmelo Latorre
They did a couple of underpinning projects that I designed. Tell them I sent you.
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Thanks and thanks for all your help. I gave them several solutions that would avoid the need to underpin and im hoping they will choose one of them or im just going to pass them on to someone who can actually figure out how to do this in the field without collapsing the building. Got your contact info and you will be my first choice if I ever need the services you provide. I do a lot of foundation work in NY and NJ including southern Jersey on everything from single family houses to NYC buildings.
www.structuralworkshop.com
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See the following link about an apartment building that was being underpinned. The contractor dug along and below the bottom of the wall footing, leaving a sloped excavation along the wall. The intent was to then dig into the slope to install underpinning piers. Although commonly done, this is not the proper way to underpin a building.
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1.) Whatever you do since you are working below an existing footing, will require a PE stamped drawing to comply with OSHA. The 4 ft exemption does not apply to this situation.
2.) Masonary walls exert considrable load and do not tolerate movement well. Things you can do with an RC wall should not be attempted on a masonary wall.
3.) Building and curing an RC wall you describe will require the soil to stand for several days.
4.) I you were to do it, odds are frankly it would work. Soil often stands when it should not. The problem is is that some times it won't work and you never know when that will happen.
5.) Finally 18" of underpinning is not a rocket flight to the moon. It should go quickly and easily. There are several contractors in the area that could do that. Moretrench is certianly capable. If I had to do this I think the fastest and most affordable way to do it would be conventional underpinning.