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Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

(OP)
I typically work in Shaded with Edges mode.  I can commonly see the edges of one part through a part in front of it--regardless of transparency settings.  As I zoom in closer to the assembly, those same edges disappear (view is correct).

I can deal with this on-screen; however if I set a drawing view to display as "Shaded with edges" I get the same display on the drawings--edges showning through.  This is undesireable, as it creates the appearance of edges where there are none--it's confusing to the reader.

Have any of you experienced this, and if so do you know what causes it--and if it can be fixed?  The company digs the colored drawing views, but not with phantom lines all over them.

Thanks,

Brian

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

What are your systems details? and what version of SWx SP?

Best Regards,

Heckler
Sr. Mechanical Engineer
SW2005 SP 3.1 & Pro/E 2001
Dell Precision 370
P4 3.6 GHz, 1GB RAM
XP Pro SP2.0
NIVIDA Quadro FX 1400
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  _`\(,_
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"There is no trouble so great or grave that cannot be much diminished by a nice cup of tea"  Bernard-Paul Heroux
 

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

That shouldn't happen. It's OK in my system (SW05 SP3.1, XP SP2).

Regards

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

This happens to me too. I'm assuming it's my crappy graphics card.

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

This sounds like a Graphics card or driver issue. please list your Specs as Heckler has pointed out.

Regards,

Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies

www.3dvisiontech.com
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

It happens with large thin parts like sheetmetal, has done this for years. Draft quality views also show them. Seems to be some sort of accuracy issue with shaded and draft quality displays.

I would submit it to your VAR and see what Solidworks says.

Jason

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

I have the same problem in Assy's.  For me it seems to appear in thin parts. Guess it's a settings thing? What are your assembly settings Heckler and macPT?  I would like to get rid of this cuz it's somewhat annoying.

SW05 SP3.1

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

Grunt58 - I have all my Document properties shaded and wire frame set to High.  I'm viewing a 50 part assembly with sheetmetal and a lot of detail without the above stated problem.

If people on this forum are going to post performance related problems we (SWx user community) need to know your system specifics....otherwise it's wasting everybodies time.

Best Regards,

Heckler
Sr. Mechanical Engineer
SW2005 SP 3.1 & Pro/E 2001
Dell Precision 370
P4 3.6 GHz, 1GB RAM
XP Pro SP2.0
NIVIDA Quadro FX 1400
      o
  _`\(,_
(_)/ (_)

"There is no trouble so great or grave that cannot be much diminished by a nice cup of tea"  Bernard-Paul Heroux
 

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

sorry I ment to put that in.

SW2005 SP 3.1
IBM InteliStation Pro M
P4 3.4 GHz, 2GB RAM
XP Pro SP2.0
NIVIDA Quadro FX 1100

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

(OP)
Win XP Pro
SW 2005 SP3
Nvidia Quadro FX500
Dell Precision 360, 1GB ram

I should've included that in my original post.

It does seem to appear in thin parts. I though it might be a graphics card issue at first, but I've been down that road with some other problems, & I'm relatively certain that my graphics card is set up correctly.  It sounds more like it's an issue that's existed for a while in SW.  I'll submit to my VAR.  Thanks,

Brian

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

Here's an example.  In this conveyor Deck zoomed out you can see the hidden lines through the belt.  Zoomed in they disappear.

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Grant
Applications Engineer
SW2005 SP 3.1
IBM InteliStation Pro M
P4 3.4 GHz, 2GB RAM
XP Pro SP2.0
NIVIDA Quadro FX 1100

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

I have had this often since SW2000 on different cards, & systems. Usually with sheet metal parts or parts that have thin sections.

If you thicken the parts or change the angle of view (Isometric to Dimetric) the lines will not show.

I just assumed it was a SW thing.


Making the best use of this Forum.  FAQ559-716
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RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

I've seen the same thing on several different cards and computers. Thin parts zoomed out, sometimes you can even select the hidden edges.

P4 2.4ghz
1gb ram
Quadro Fx500
Winxp sp2
Solidworks 2005 sp3 & 2006 sp0

Jason

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

brrian,

Is it correct that the most troubling aspect of this problem is that the edges are showing through on printed drawings?

It seems a bit odd that the graphics card or driver should cause a printing problem.  However, I have not seen the old standby for diagnosing graphic card or driver issues suggested yet, so here it goes…

Have you tried using software OpenGL while printing the drawings to see if the problem goes away?  You can turn on the software OpenGL by starting SolidWorks, and without any files open, selecting Tools -> Options -> Performance.  Use Software OpenGL is the bottom checkbox on the right.

This is not a permanent solution, but if it works, you’ll have a workaround and will know to focus on the video card and its drivers.

Eric

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

(OP)
Eric,

Excellent idea.  I tried software OpenGL--same behavior, both in models and in drawings.  As I suspected, it doesn't seem to be the video card.

Brian

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

(OP)
Update--I've gotten an SPR for this issue.  I hope hope hope that it's important enough to get an early look--it's most prevalent in thin parts, and most of my parts are.

Thanks for the help,

Brian

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

I have been experiencing the same problem since 2003.  I tried the OpenGL thing now, nothing happened.  The problem is still there.

P4 3.2GHz 1GB Ram
XP Pro
Quadro FX 1300
SW2005 SP3

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

(OP)
Supposedly it has nothing to do with the graphics--it's the code.

I say to all of you who experience this--submit it!  To your VAR, as an Enhancement Request--put it on their radar.

Thanks,

Brian

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

If it's a bug, then how is it going to matter if you submit it to your VAR in the regards to an ER... going to help? A bug SPR should be fixed via SW.

However if you are talking about an ER SPR# then submitting to your VAR will only account for 1 ER to the issue or depending on how many different people place it in.

If you are experencing this, then you should call your VAR and turn into them, but not as an ER but as a bug. To help them out you should give them the SPR# (bbrian your input is required here) this away your VAR can put this right into SW and your problem will be added to the list.

Regards,

Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies

www.3dvisiontech.com
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

(OP)
Maybe I didn't explain correctly...

I submitted the issue to my VAR, who submitted it to SW. SW assigned it a SPR number--as a bug, not an enhancement request.

The point I was trying to make is simply for more people to get this issue in front of SolidWorks, by whatever the correct means is.  I suppose I don't understand the process well enough to understand the correct path to take.  I could give out the SPR number and users could simply notify their VAR that 'they too are experiencing SPR number XXX' and would like it fixed.  Or, they could submit an Enhancement Request in which they ask for improved display in "Shaded w/ Edges" mode.  Again, I understand that one or both of these may not be the correct steps to take.

My thought is that if I'm the only person asking for this, then it may remain low on the list of things to be fixed.  But, if a number of people ask (and it seems that a number experience this) it may be moved up the list.

I'm all for giving out the SPR number here & recruiting users to get my issue fixed, but I think that's a selfish and dishonest way of taking care of my own wants and needs.  I am however comfortable encouraging all of you to submit this issue if you feel that it needs fixed.

Perhaps this shoud be another thread, but... what's the appropriate way for a number of users to request attention for the same issue?  Should we contact our respective VARs?  Is a coordinated effort frowned upon?  I'm curious.

Thanks,

Brian

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

It would not be "selfish and dishonest" to post the SPR number! It would be helpful for others with the same problem.

Post the number. Those who have the problem can use it to save possible duplication. Those who don't have the problem will ignore it anyway.


Making the best use of this Forum.  FAQ559-716
How to get answers to your SW questions.  FAQ559-1091
Helpful SW websites every user should be aware of.  FAQ559-520

RE: Shaded w/ Edges - Edges showing through parts

If there are others seeing hte same thing, then post the number, because it would help everyone that is seeing the same thing as you are. Then they are say to their VAR I am seeing this SPR# and then Tech support can turn it into SW DB and that person will be added to the list of needing a fix for that SPR.

The more people experience it and turn it in the faster i will get fixed. FOr those that are not seeing the issue, it's up to them whether they want to call their VAR and deal with them on that SPR#.

Regards,

Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies

www.3dvisiontech.com
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376

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