PTC (Pro-E) article truths.....10 ways Solidworks slows you down
PTC (Pro-E) article truths.....10 ways Solidworks slows you down
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http://ww w.ptc.com/ solutions/ small_medi um_busines s/mcad.htm
The above link is to an article published by PTC stating all the things SWX can't do, or do well. Note: no where does it state what version of SW they compared it to. This type of stuff just doesn't fly with me. So, how about some real life comparisons from people who have used both hand in hand. I've only dabbled in Pro-E enough to stay away from it.
What's the feeling, technically on the claims.
John
The above link is to an article published by PTC stating all the things SWX can't do, or do well. Note: no where does it state what version of SW they compared it to. This type of stuff just doesn't fly with me. So, how about some real life comparisons from people who have used both hand in hand. I've only dabbled in Pro-E enough to stay away from it.
What's the feeling, technically on the claims.
John






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By the way: PTC is well-known for this kind of "non-comparisons", but also others do the same.
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Why do you compare ProE with a Fiat?
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Chris
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1) If the person running the models is an avid Pro-E user and a novice SW user, it makes sense that it would take them a fraction of the time to build the models and assemble them.
2) If Pro/E is so much better, why do they feel it necessary to compare themselves to SW?
3) PTC's comment #3 is a valid one, I think, but, again, define the "limitations" or, better still, don't mention SolidWorks at all unless you perceive them to be a threat! I also think, if you build that part in a little different sequence, SW will actually do that, won't it?
4) I like the words, "you could waste up to XX hours"...yea, if you're not too bright and account for your lunch hour in considering the time it takes to do something, you "could waste a lot more"!
5) There are MANY details missing in the comparison: platform, user, the giggling clown in the corner to distract you while the truth slips through...
I'm not stuck on or avidly opposed to either of these packages, but Pro/E must be in trouble if they are using such strong language and such a HORRIBLE advertising technique. I hope people see through this and do a real comparison before deciding. Pro/E may still be what they need, but I would hate to see the decision made based on this information, if you call it that.
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This would lead to worldwide recognition, huge TV contracts and international fame for the competitors until of course, the inevitable doping scandals (let's hope coffee wouldn't be a banned substance!) bring the whole thing down like a house of cards in large assembly mode.
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http://www.ptc.com/WCMS/files/23982en_file1.pdf
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"Mods" please delete this if it gets out of hand. thanks
John
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I have observed two things regarding the switch from Pro/E to SolidWorks:
1) We had six users with Pro/E installed, and in the past two years, only one had ever used Pro/E. One of them didn't even know he had it installed. As soon as we switched to SolidWorks, we started running out of licenses because everyone wanted to use it. Even the "CAD illiterate" users were going through the online tutorials and creating their own parts.
2) For experienced users in either CAD system, productivity has been slightly higher in SolidWorks. For novice CAD users, SolidWorks wins the productivity contest hands-down. However, it should be kept in mind that Pro/E does some things better than SWx, and vice versa.
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As an industrial designer, I do the ID and engineering for almost every project I take part in. The gaps represented as file translation time were astonishing in this point. I require no gaps. Lots of propped-up assumptions necessary here, even if I were to import ID files from Rhino or some other such package. It certainly wouldn't require 16.5 hours for a project of less than 60 hours of total design time.
I also have clients who bring me files in ProE format and work with those files (from surfaces). There are some nice tools available in ProE, as mentioned above. But the article linked above gets quite ridiculous in blowing things out of proportion. Assumptions and premises make all the difference, and this article takes to much liberty at placing both at the extemes for the comparison.
Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
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Since I am more interested in creating good (ie robust) parametric models quickly, than engineering drawings, SW gets my "vote" at the moment, from that experience.
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Greg Locock
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I first used pro e at a university level many years ago (Version 17 - V2001). When I first started to use Solidworks I found the surfacing not as powerfull as Pro E . However in the last few releases of solidworks the surfacing has been improved dramatically. I have included a few interesting articles.
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The first produced the same results if you use a face blend.
The second one will work with one fillet but looks a little strange, two fillets smoothed it really well.
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As for the rest, it would help if they would show the assembly used. Even working on 2000 part assemblies, saving, opening are no where near what they say.
Jason
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When I mentioned "Ferrari vs Fiat" I didn't mean to associate SW or PRO/E to any of the two: it was only to point out that EVERY cad system on the market can fit some particular needs of particular companies. You may find some where SW is unbeatable, others where PRO/E is.
In my past, I had to make a full-parametric model of a "somewhat" complicated geometry: hydraulic radial turbine blades. Of course in this case, Pro/E's VSS and some other advanced modeling capabilities (equation-based curves, geometry piloted by graphs,...) were ABSOLUTELY necessary, so SW could NEVER have been used (even if v.2006 existed when Pro/E was at v.20). But, ask yourself that question: in how many cases such "extreme" capabilities are necessary?!? in ID, as far as I know, free-form is more important than math-definition. In mech Design, I know only one case in which math curves are necessary: cam design. SW is not born for that, you'd better look at UG. And, however, probably some plugins from third-parties exit that can add this functionality to SW (or SolidEdge, or ThinkDesign, or...).
However, right in this forum there is another thread on about the same topic that lasted more than 61 posts to come to nowhere, because of course each poster had different views / different NEEDS / different budgets / different skills...
"Repetita juvant", they said, but in this case perhaps not...
Bye!
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Chris
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ctopher's home site (updated 06-21-05)
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Making the best use of this Forum. FAQ559-716
How to get answers to your SW questions. FAQ559-1091
Helpful SW websites every user should be aware of. FAQ559-520
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Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
Reality is no respecter of good intentions.
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Jason
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Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
Reality is no respecter of good intentions.
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Well, really, don't mind at all these kinds of "non-comparisons". The only point where perhaps PTC is true is on the size of the files, but with today's machines this is not a problem... I really had fun when I saw the fillets that were stated not to be possible in SW: I used to do these fillets since v.2003 if not from v.2001+...
Where PTC made a true "hole in the water" was when Wildfire broke the former philosophy per which new versions of Pro/E kept backward-compatibility with files generated back to 5 versions before: THIS point was EXTREMELY valuable, but is no longer true...
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Work at an aero. consulting firm, and we have many CAD Packages, CATIA, SW, Pro/E, and Unigr. as well as several 2-d packages, bc we do our work in the native format of our clients. Since I use all of these on a regular basis, I do feel like I have something to contribute to this topic.
Each has it's own good and bad features.
Each has it's place in this world.
I like SW, because of the ease of part creation.
I like CATIA for doing anything with a large assembly.
I like Pro/E for it's mid range features, and data translation tools.
I must say that of all the packages, SW was the quickest to pick up, but that said, the more advanced I become as a SW user, the more problems that I seem to run into. I try and customize the tools I use as much as i can and SW is the most Difficult to do this (overriding all the assumtions the software makes for you is a pain in the A#$), followed by CATIA. Pro/E is by far the easiest. That said, I was using SW in about 2 days whereas it took me about 2 weeks to pro/e it.
We are here waiting for CATIA and SW to eventually integrate better.
regards,
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Have a good day!
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Been a full time user since SW95-96.
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Scott Baugh, CSWP
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