Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
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When you sign up with your VAR, your updates are included with your monthly "support fee".... so why wouldn't you upgrade from 2004?
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Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I am not sure what the problem is. I'm not the administrator here.
JHG
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
1. Main customer still using old rev.
2. Did buy support
3. In the middle of a long development project and no available resources to test and validate the integration of a new release. I've been through that....not wanting to trash the data due to new release.
Best Regards,
Heckler
Sr. Mechanical Engineer
SW2005 SP 2.0 & Pro/E 2001
Dell Precision 370
P4 3.6 GHz, 1GB RAM
XP Pro SP2.0
NIVIDA Quadro FX 1400
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Plus we are a LARGE company and there are to many people with their hands in the cookie jar.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
The main reason I think is a lack of justification to those with the check book.
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I hear all the time people waiting for PC prices to come down before they buy one. Wait too long, you will have a different OS and prices jump up again or your software won't run on it.
I say don't jump on the band wagon right away, but don't wait too long either.
Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I agree about the price point of computers....it's an interesting issue when talking about running highend MCAD software. I'm at the top of the computer food chain at my company....I just got a brand new Dell 370 and it filters down to the designers
Best Regards,
Heckler
Sr. Mechanical Engineer
SW2005 SP 2.0 & Pro/E 2001
Dell Precision 370
P4 3.6 GHz, 1GB RAM
XP Pro SP2.0
NIVIDA Quadro FX 1400
o
_`\(,_
(_)/ (_)
"There is no trouble so great or grave that cannot be much diminished by a nice cup of tea" Bernard-Paul Heroux
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
IMO, it depends on your settings, hardware, and the way models are created.
Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
SolidWorks 05 SP3.1 / PDMWorks 05
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. And scratch where it itches.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I thought it was 2004 that was the problem release! I went from 2003 to 2005 and noticed a big difference. 2006 looks extremely promising
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Getting all new hardware when we hit 2006SP1.0 so maybe that will let us go a whole day.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
There were verifications of problems w/ 2005 such as the following:
- blocks not coming in or coming in w/ lots of errors
- cropped views screwing up
- problems selecting things
- Problems patterning radius’s and components
- Problems w/ layers
- Nuances like cosmetic threads in shaded mode stopped working when ’05 was released.
Most of the fixes for these issues came out in SP’s 1.1 and 2.0. I mean, just look how long the list of fixes was!!! But that didn’t happen until nearly 6 months after the release.
I agree that 2006 looks very nice. I’m looking forward to using it. However, I and many others remain skeptical.
It was so bad, that SW and Trimech each sent a representative out to the company at the same time to try and address all the issues.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
SolidWorks 05 SP3.1 / PDMWorks 05
ctopher's home site
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Fun Fun Fun.
BTW the pdm decision was made before I came on board.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Just upgraded to 2004 last fall and in IT's infinate wisdom loaded the original release (no service packs). That was fun for a couple of months. We also have 2005 hidden in some dark secret room somewhere no time frame on when we might see it.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I feel your pain. We also have Smarteam and it is truly ridiculous that two products owned by the same company, Dassault Systemes, can't get along. My understanding is that they are even located in the same building in Boston but the developement groups don't talk to each other. We are still on SW2004 and hope to upgrade to SW2005 by the end of the month. But, before we upgrade to SW2005 we need to upgrade Smarteam to V5R14. We are currently using V5R11. However, even after the Smarteam upgrade the highest version of Solidworks that Smarteam will "support" is SW2005 SP2.0.
I don't know about you, but I am starting to wonder if PDMWORKS might be a better fit for us. At least that way we know that the two are more likely to keep in sync with each other as far a new releases are concerned. We hate being held hostage by Smarteam. We are losing out on some of the new functionality that Solidworks puts out and could be beneficial to us. I know that SW2006 is right around the corner so I will be missing out on that as well.
Regards,
Dan Olid
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
1. 2004 is 10% faster than 2005.
2. The retraining for 2005 was not worth it considering that the first really stable service pack came out about 3 months before 2006 would hit the streets.
3. The new features, while certainly nice, were not enough incentive to upgrade.
4. We don't have to share files with anyone.
5. There are more bugs in 2005 than in 2004 thus negating the argument that you are paying for bug fixes.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I have been doing this job for 3 years now and I noticed a trend within the end of the release of SW03 going into SW04.
Towards the end of one release and the beginning of another my calls drop off. SW04 the calls didn’t drop off at all. I was still sending numerous bug reports into SW at the end of SW04. At the first release SW05 Sp0.0 the calls continued and picked up some while I was supporting both SW04 and 05. But now that most have moved over to SW05 and since the end of 05 is upon us, my calls are down again. It’s almost stagnating. I can actually get other things done now.
The reason I know they are down is because I am required to track all incoming Calls/Voicemail/ and Email that comes my way. Those numbers reflect what is going on. Those numbers are important to me to track how and when calls are made.
My disagreement is:
1) As for speed, I found and felt SW05 to be faster IMO.
2) Retraining???? what do you mean retraining, what do you have to do to retrain someone that has been using SW04? It's not that different then SW04 was, IMHO.
3) That is something only a company can decide on.
4) N/A
5) IMO SW04 was much bugger and still is, then SW05. I still see many SW04 bug posts, but SW05 has it’s share too I won’t lie about that.
Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies
www.3dvisiontech.com
www.scottjbaugh.com
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FAQ559-716 - SW Fora Users
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
I stay up to date with each SP and upgrade and don't see the big problems that most write about.
Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
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RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
As such, you have to do A LOT of testing not just with major versions, but with each SP as well, because problems can appear with a specifc SP that can be "deadly" (i.e. bug with one SP of 2003 that would crash SW when you imported a DWG - ouch). However you can never find ALL the bugs with testing.
So it's a cost/benefits thing - weighing the benefits of any new functionality against tampering with an environment that, if not perfect, is at least known.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies
www.3dvisiontech.com
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376
FAQ559-716 - SW Fora Users
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Chris
Sr. Mechanical Designer, CAD
SolidWorks 05 SP3.1 / PDMWorks 05
ctopher's home site
FAQ559-1100
FAQ559-716
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
As such you have to do the best job you can in simulating a production environment by getting people to dedicate their time to testing, re-producing work they've already done in the production environment. This is a luxury that not all companies can afford.
Whatever problems you find or read about with a new version are a LOT easier to swallow if there is a significant gain in functionality with that new version.
As well, you can widen the teeth of the fine-toothed comb you use during testing if you know that any minor problems with the new version are worth living with to get the new functionality.
RE: Dumb question: why is anyone still using 2004?
Regards,
Scott Baugh, CSWP
3DVision Technologies
www.3dvisiontech.com
www.scottjbaugh.com
FAQ731-376
FAQ559-716 - SW Fora Users