Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
(OP)
http://news.ifas.ufl.edu/story.php?id=963
Alright gentlemen... let's dig in and analyze this one. My intuition tells me it's just another way to fleece the government for research and subsidy money.
We'll need U.S. gasoline consumption data, agricultural data such as bushels/acre and lbs/bushel, farm capacities etc... or?
Alright gentlemen... let's dig in and analyze this one. My intuition tells me it's just another way to fleece the government for research and subsidy money.
We'll need U.S. gasoline consumption data, agricultural data such as bushels/acre and lbs/bushel, farm capacities etc... or?





RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
Having been in some of these ethanol plants, I would tend to agree that the energy consumption of these facilities exceeds the energy production.
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
I would worry less about the feasibility of acheiving these claims and worry a little more about, what if it gets loose. We could see full crops fermenting in the field. Aquatic plants completely consumed. Everyone here of Calerpa? It's a one-celled plantlike organism, and it covers miles of ocean floor in an around the UK. It was a grand genetic engineering acheivement. Fish tank algae that you don't need to maintain and will still grow. How pretty. Only, someone dumped some down the storm drain. And that's the rest of the story.
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RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
rmw
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
ChemE, M.E. EIT
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RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
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Dave
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
One comment that the person being quoted made was that one other advantage of making ethanol from sugar was that it provided a lot of work for Brazilians.
With all due respect to our Brazilian Forum Members, I thought this to be a sad concept, lots of laborers hacking away at sugar cane stalks, appreciative that people were driving cars using alcohol so they could have work.
The article did note, as well, that if they needed to make diesel, they could use the Fisher-Tropsch process with sugar as the hydrocarbon feed stock as well. More work for more Brazilians as well, I guess.
rmw
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
Cows and goats eat it and I understand the cows generate an over abundance of methane on such a diet.
If we could make this a “pass through process” it would be good one if we capture the methane and apply the manure back to the kudzu.
Florida already has one program of harvesting an invasive species of tree from the Everglades that I understand is in a little trouble. Even using prison labor, the cost of maintaining the harvesters is more than the recovered fuel values.
Kudzu is both high in protein (17%) and starch (30%) so the bugs will probably like it.
RE: Biomass Conversion...Is this a sham?
Also to CESSNA1's comment regarding waste products of the bacteria... the great thing is, the ETHANOL is the waste. Carbon and Energy (in the form of starch or sugar)and Water are taken in. Ethanol (which is just a carbon chain) and Water are excreted. Excess carbon and energy goes into creating new cells. Cellular metabolic pathways are incredibly efficient nanotechnology. They are the perfect machine.
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