as-built drawing
as-built drawing
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when a contract says to do as-builts what does it mean.
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RE: as-built drawing
RE: as-built drawing
nothing is ever built as designed. The "As-Built" is just what it implies, as you construct what you designed, you note the changes on the drawings that you used for design and when the project is complete, these revised drawings become "As-Builts." I would be careful using the term "As-Built" as it can be a problem in court cases. The preferred word of the day is now "Record Drawing."
Bob
RE: as-built drawing
However, my last project manager took it to mean "re-issue the contract documentation when the programme says issue as-builts" even if the job hasn't been built yet and the unforseeable modifications having been forseen yet. This has led to versions 1, 2, and 3 of the final revision!
RE: as-built drawing
Many designers use the term existing drawing and as-built drawing as being the same. They are not. Existing drawing could be an as-built but not necessarily. Chances are, it is just a permit set the contractor used to build.
At least this is true in structural engineering (plans for building/bridge structures).
RE: as-built drawing
I can see "as built" used in construction/civil work, but not engineering design.
IMO, the term "as built" is a cop-out in design engineering. Some engineers like to design and build a product a ship it, then turn around and have someone else document it. That way it is out of their hands from that point. I have been thru it many times.
Chris
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It's not always a copout. It depends on the approved scope of services being executed by the Engineer. In many cases, the Client disbands the design team ASAP to keep a lid on the costs. Then once the facilities are constructed they engage a Drafter, usually at cheaper sell-rates than the Engineer's own drafters, to backdraft the design drawings from the Contractors' mark-ups.
RE: as-built drawing
I believe Chris was refering more to the machine design side of engineering, when drawing changes which should have been made in the design process are put aside until the item is shipped. You can not properly inspect a part or assembly if the drawing changes are not noted. I agree with him that this is a poor way of documenting this type of design.
He does state that he "can see 'as built' used in construction/civil work". Different animals.
RE: as-built drawing
A Gulf Coast shipyard was issued a contract to complete the contruction of 9 vessels started, but not completed by another shipyard (I don't recall why the shift occured, but that's not germane to this example). Of the 9 vessels, the 1st was essentially complete, the rest ranged from pieces to a collection of parts and material. The contract issued stated to make all vessels as the 1st (sort of "as-built").
However, the contract also referenced standard ABS and Coast Guard rules and regulations.
The conflict should be obvious - the 1st vessel did not meet basic requirements, yet the shipyard's contract stated to make all vessels like the first. A classic case of an impossible spec!
We eventually got the vessels completed AND certified, but not without a lot of negotiation and change-orders.
Just remember - you may not know what the "as built" really is.
RE: as-built drawing
Chris
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After a few legal actions occurred, it is no longer a good idea to label what are known as "As-Built" or "As Constructed" with either of those terms. The accepted term these days is "As Recorded". From a legal standpoint, unless everything on an "As Built" drawing is exactly correct you open yourself up to liability. If you use the term "As Recorded" then you just have to show that you modified the drawings in accordance to the measurements you took to be safe.
David Dietrich
KMK Consultants Ltd
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
RE: as-built drawing
Hg
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RE: as-built drawing
Only if it is "as recorded". Otherwise, the dwg is created first before the part is made ... therefore it is not "as recorded". So, no not *every* document is "as recorded".
Chris
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RE: as-built drawing