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For Recent FE/EIT takers

For Recent FE/EIT takers

For Recent FE/EIT takers

(OP)
For those who took the FE exam last year, what was the format of the exam? Do they ask multiple questions based on one figure. For example do you see something like - Questions 20-25 are based on the following equation, or figure, etc?

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Just out of curiosity, why does it matter if multiple questions are based on one figure?

Hg

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When I took the FE (2001…I know that’s not that last year) most of the afternoon session questions were multiple and based on one figure like you say.

Hg, that matters because the multiple questions based on one figure are typically all interrelated, i.e., you will need the answer from the first question to answer the next.  So, if you miss the first question in the group, you could possibly miss the next 3 or 4.

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(OP)
Thankyou for ur replies. I took the FE on 16th. The format has changed now. They did have interrelated questions in the afternoon session, but, not more than 2 interrelated ones. The afternoon session was not very easy I must say. I had a tough time solving the problems.

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Do you think you passed?

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It's possible to have multiple questions about a single figure without the questions being interrelated, so I decided that wasn't what the poster was asking about...I'm too literal-minded.

Hg

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Don't worry Moonstone - I took the General section in the afternoon (hoping it would be kind to me) and it was still pretty rough.  I did hear that a passing score is a 70, although I'm pretty sure they did some weird statistics to it so it's not a true 70 or a %70.

Best wishes for your score in 10 weeks...

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In my experience of taking any standardized exams like EIT, PE, SE, etc, if there were any "inter-related" multiple choice questions, the follow up questions would start like "assuming that solution to problem X is Y" followed by the next question.  You do not have to worry about getting the first question in the series wrong and all subsequent questions in correct accordingly.

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For those who took the FE last week (4/16/05) do you think you passed? Also do you think that 60-65 correct answers in the morning and 20 in the afternoon is enough to pass?
Thanks

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Murat1, the passing grade for the FE exam was established by using a scaled score system. A scaled score of 70 is the passing grade, and this usually corresponds to getting about 50% of the questions right. Obviously, the questions in the afternoon session carry twice the weight of the quesions asked in the morning session. If you got 60-65 of the morning questions right, and 20 right in the afternoon session, then you clearly passed the exam.

Maui

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I may have passed...maybe - I think there were around %15 of questions I had to outright guess on though. I could usually eliminate one of the four choices, but beyond that was stumped.  They really get you with the time crunch, even at four hours per section.


Sorry Murat1, but I don't know.  That's what...%50 correct in the morning and %30 in the afternoon?  I know they do some voodoo math to determine the passing score, but no clue beyond that.

Back to topic - All the interrelated questions I recall were only related to a common system, not dependent upon prior answers.

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Murat1;
In reading your post and Maui's response, I am not sure that you passed. From what I know, there are 120 questions in the AM session, and 60 questions in the afternoon session (unless they changed the format again).

If you refer to 60-65/120 correct responses in the AM and only 20/60 correct responses in the PM, this will be too close to call. Both the AM and PM sessions are equally weighted. If you had 80/120 in the AM and still got only 20/60 in the PM session, I would say you would pass.

The 70 refers to a scaled score reflecting different weights given to various problems. The 50% correct is probably a decent number to shoot for. Good Luck to you!

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I love it!  We have three equally competent people looking at the apparent numbers and we all gave different answers.  I guess it truly depends on what this score of "70" really means in terms of questions answered correctly.

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My mistake. I based my response on the assumption that there were 80 questions in the morning session and 40 in the afternoon session. Apparently, there are 120 questions in the morning and another 60 in the afternoon. Murat1, I have to retract my ststement that you clearly passed. As others pointed out, it will be a close call.

Maui

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I just took the FE in Florida. It seemed that everyone around me was struggling when we were talking about it. I feel confident I passed. I also took the general exam.

There was rumors of the re-takers saying it was more difficult than in the past. I did not hear that first-hand though.

The proctors also commented on the numerous complaints about the PE test being much more difficult this year, as gauged by the people taking it.

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I just received my FE test result: I PASSED! (I got 75) How about you guys?

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Congratulations Murat1!!!

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I received an 83, which is a passing score although I have no idea what bearing it has on actual correct answers.  

I have a question now, is it worth it to add EIT after my name on business cards and such?  I'm a mechanical engineer working in the biomedical field.  

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The FE exam is not graded on a curve, and there is no guarantee that a certain percent of examinees will pass.  Rather, NCEES uses a modification of the Angoff procedure to determine the suggested passing score.  A committee of P.E/Phds examines each question and determines what fraction of minimally qualified engineers should be able to answer it.  The summation of estimated fractions for all test questions becomes the passing score.  It varies from year to year because of different questions.  It is usually from 40-50%.  Because the law in most states requires engineers to achieve a score of 70% to become liscensed, you may be reported as having achieved a score of 70 percent if your raw score is greater than the passing score established by NCEES regardless of the raw percentage.  

Approximately 20% of each FE exam consists of questions repeated from previous examinatons--this is the equating subtest.  Since the performance of previous examinees on the equating subtest is known, comparisons can be made between the two examinations and examinee populations.  These comparisons are used to adjust the passing score.

If you can answer 30% of the test, guess 'c' for the rest (of which you will get 25% correct) chances are pretty good that you will pass.  Also Jabberwocky, what state do you live in?  No states I know about give a percent unless you fail.  Additionally, (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe the just add E.I. on the business card.

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bioengr82;
Your following statement is incorrect and is misleading to those that will take the exam in the future <<If you can answer 30% of the test, guess 'c' for the rest (of which you will get 25% correct) chances are pretty good that you will pass.  Also Jabberwocky, what state do you live in?  No states I know about give a percent unless you fail.  Additionally, (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe the just add E.I. on the business card>>

If you pass the FE exam, most state boards will allow you to use E.I.T. (Engineer in training), not EI.

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metengr:

fine...if you answer 30% of the test CORRECTLY and get 25% of the remaining by guessing then you will most likely pass (depending on the year).  also the test is no longer the E.I.T.  but the FE.  In the consulting business you are not an EIT but an engineer intern and thus E.I. is added to your business card.  

what specifically do you take exception with metengr?

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Jabberwocky:

In practice, we usually do not use EIT on business cards since it meas nothing and in some circles it is looked down upon by people.  Don't get me wrong, it is a significant milestone for you in your career and on your way to the PE, but this success is all yours, being modest at this point  until you get the PE will serve you well.

Bob

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Well, to be frank I volunteer to review and write questions for the FE and PE exams. So, to answer "c" is totally incorrect and misleading. Answer patterns are recognized and dealt with accordingly.

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so in the sections I knew nothing about and just anwsered 'c' I got no credit?  do I understand you correctly?

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All questions are not evenly weighted, and by chance you had answered enough correct responses by guessing to achieve a passing score - count yourself lucky at best (LOL).

When I took the exam the correct response for passing was "B" for better, and not “C” Maybe next year it will be "A" or "D", LOL.

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'c' is an arbitrary letter to illustrate my point.  According to the NCEES website, that you referenced in a previous post there is no penalty for incorrect answers, regardless of pattern.  Also, since I mentioned in my first post how the test is graded, it is apparent I am familiar with how the questions evaluated.  Your statement that questions are not evenly weighted IS incorrect.  The final required score to pass IS the summation of fractions.  The manner in which you achieve the required score is NOT based off weighted questions.  Therefore answering 30% correctly plus (.7*.25) = 47.5% which is usually enough to pass.  I am interested to know when you worked for the NCEES and how exactly 'anwser patterns' are dealt with.  Please advise.

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Sorry, but I cannot and will not provide more detail. I had signed an agreement in 2004 with the interested parties to assure security for all exams.

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I should clarify that the questions within each secion (morning and afternoon) are weighted equally.  As mentioned above the afternoon section is worth the same as morning w/ 1/2 the questions.

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bioengineer:

If answer patterns are manipulated by someone, statistical approaches go out the window.  Anyway, what is the point you are trying to make?

Bob

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BobPE:  Those were pretty much my thoughts as well.  I don't think it should be looked down upon per se, but I would definitely agree it is an indicator of relative inexperience.  

Bioenfr82: I live in Florida, and I did not expect to receive a numerical score unless I failed.  But the letter came in the mail with a passing grade of 83, but not 83%.

For the record, as can be seen in an earlier post, I purely guessed on at least 15% of the questions, although maybe I just did well enough on the ones I knew for it to make no difference...

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(OP)
Has anyone in California recieved the scores yet?

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