Spline Balls on Transmission Lines
Spline Balls on Transmission Lines
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I have a 69 kV circuit thats elevated in respect to the surronding area. The area in general is a high density lightning strike area. So the circuit being the highest structure by far has made it quite the targer for lightning. The underbuild 13 kV distribution has one of the lowest reliability ratings on our system due to trips and equipment failures(underbuild distribution is very susceptible to strikes). My company currently installs spline balls in substations but I want to install them on each pole. I am hoping this will prevent some stikes. This in turn should reduce some outages in the short term and help with equipment failures in the long term. This has caused quite a stir. Some people say they wont work, some say it will, some say it will attract lightning and make it worse. As installing a spline ball on each pole (spans lengths approximately 200 feet) is relatively cheap, I want to give it a go. I have contacted the manufacturer but I wanted some third party info.






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Spline balls are considered superstition among serious guys. I have not seen any proof that they work. And no good theory that explains how they are supposed to work. I would not recommend using them.
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IEEE Drops Lightning Rod Project
At a hearing in late March, the Standards Association of IEEE voted to terminate work on a standard to govern "Charge Transfer Systems" (CTS) lightning protection. Also called "Dissipation Array Systems" (DAS), a CTS uses exotic multi-point lightning rods that prevent lightning from striking a particular location. Started in December 2000, the IEEE project remained inactive during most of its initial four-year run. IEEE ultimately terminated it due to a lack of vendor-sponsored tests, which were supposed to establish the validity of the CTS theory -- the tests were never circulated to IEEE working group members for their review. Earlier this year, the National Fire Protection Association similarly turned down Lightning Eliminators and Consultant's request to develop a standard for CTS/DAS products. In a decision dated January 14, 2005, the NFPA Standards Council concluded that the manufacturer's request failed to demonstrate "ample basis in the scientific and technical literature to support meaningful standards development for CTS/DAS lightning protection systems." The decision marks the first occasion since 1989 that the NFPA has denied such a request concerning the concept.
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I think that your post and subtech's put an end to this theme. Most enlightning!
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Probably how the lightning prevention idea got started is that the electrostatic precipitators for coal fired plants when polarized 1 way seemed to repel lightning and when polarized the other way attracted lightning.
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One system I looked at consisted of convential transient protection using properly grounded supression devices (e.g. MOVs) where each sensor cable was terminated in the control building. I had a very high degree of confidence that this system would function as designed but it had the disadvantage of being very expensive.
I also looked at a system proposed by a consultant that claimed he would ELIMINATE lightning strikes in the protected zone. He used "barb wire arrays" that essentially consisted of many thousands of air terminals. Since each air termninal saturates at some maximum current the idea was to parallel thousands of current paths to establish a relatively high total current. The consultant claimed he could "run down" the charge in the ground under the arrays, thereby eliminating any electrostatic attraction to lightning in the protected zone. This system had the big advantage of being simple to install and relatively very inexpensive.
I conducted quite a bit of research on the lightning elimination system. I spoke to a number of past customers that had used this consultant's products. The reports covered the entire spectrum. For example, one FM station in Florida with an exceptionally high tower claimed he was "sent from heaven" and solved an old problem but another large well recognized corporate client used the term "snake oil" and had removed the arrays. The conventional lighning "experts" were universally aligned against this system and took much pleasure in showing a photograph of lighning striking one of the consultant's barbed wire arrays. At the time, the conventional lightning consultants did not carry much wieght with me because the lightning elimination consultant presented a significant threat to them (by their own admission).
I came to the conclusion that this consultant did indeed have a system that "strongly tended" to prevent lighning from striking a protected area but it did not 100% eliminate strikes. My application required 100% reliability because I needed to prevent lightning induced plant trips. We bit the bullet and used a conventional approach. However, it is not uncommon, at least in Florida, to see barbed wire umbrellas mounted atop high mast lighting and other towers. It appears to me that this type of system has its application if the goal is only to significantly reduce the incidence of lightning strikes in a given location.
I would suggest that the Dissapation Array Systems not be discounted because I do believe they have value if used in an appropriate application.
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