Sealing Plans: Legal Issues and Risks
Sealing Plans: Legal Issues and Risks
(OP)
I am a structural engineer involved in building inspections, structural evaluations, forensic investigations, etc. Occationally, someone will ask me to do design work and/or seal design drawings. These drawings are usually for home additions or structural repairs and are not very complex. I do not have E & O Insurance for this type of work. I do not foresee generating a significant amount of money doing this type of work and therefore I'm having trouble justifying spending three grand for this insurance. Is this insurance a legal requirement (PA) and would I be foolish to seal plans without it?






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By the way, this is for PA, I do not know what how other state laws address this.
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It does not matter how seasoned you are. If there is a problem in a project the lawyers make sure that everyone involved, from the cleaning lady to the A/E, will get tangled in the lawsuit and at the end everyone would loose.
Good Luck
PS: "Three Grand" for structural E&O coverage is a wishfull thinking.
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I agree with you 1000%.
Lutfi
www.cdeco.com
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1. Most engineers who moonlight do it much cheaper than firms who have overhead and expenses.
2. It established a bad trend with clients.
3. It gives the notion that engineering firms make large profit margins when their fees and the moonlighting fees are compared.
4. It subjects not only the engineer but the employers to liability. There have been cases where employer was held liable because the engineer used company’s calc sheets and or software.
5. It does not give clients the professional attention they deserve especially if the engineer is at his regular job and the clients need real answers regarding work performed.
6. If it has to be done, I recommend that you talk directly with your employer and be upfront about it. If they say no, you should respect their wishes. Many companies are bound by their E&O insurance policies.
7. The profit ratio to the degree of risk is tremendous. I notice in Florida, where I live, many engineers are being brought in front of the Board for discipline because they were involved in signing and sealing deficient plans which were not prepared by them or under their supervision.
8. Most engineering jobs required few hours over 40. Assuming that is the case, the engineer must spend lots of time doing the side job. This may happen at the expense of the real job.
This is some of my input and I do not mean for it to be insulting to any one. I did side jobs way back and quickly found out that it is not worth doing. As a matter of fact, I am being asked to appear as a witness regarding a report that was done by me in 1991. Plaintiff attorney found a copy of my report and he subpoenaed me to appear as a witness. They have been stringing me along since October 2003! This has cost me. I am not at fault at all. I just happened to do a report; they are using my report as an exhibit to prove their point. I bet my cost would be over 20 times the money I made.
Regards,
Regads,
Lutfi
www.cdeco.com
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JCL3, I didn't catch it the first time, but your original post mentions "seal design drawings". Be sure and read your state rules VERY closely on that issue. Some states (such as Utah, I believe) specifically allow engineers to review plans, take responsibility for them, and seal them. But quite a few other states (including Texas) specifically prohibit this practice- you can't seal anything that was not prepared by yourself or under your direct supervision. And of course, all states prohibit "plan stamping", where no significant review is made of the material.
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I guess my dilema boils down to this:
In PA you are not allowed to seal drawings that are not directly prepared by yourself or under your direct supervision. If I work with architects and builders (as an independent contractor) and guide and direct the person drawing the plans, does that meet the requirements of being under my "direct supervision." These design drawings will be modified and revised to my liking prior to sealing. This is not a situation were people I don't know are sending me plans for a PE seal. I am familiar with these projects and have made site visits.
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It sounds like what you want to do is legitimate but when in doubt: Call the Board. You don't have to give your name.
I'm licensed in PA. A few years back, one of our offices asked my supervisor if he had a PA PE or if there was one on his staff. He told them that I would be happy to seal the plans. It didn't happen; I refused to do it. I told him there was no way that I could satisfy the requirements of responsible charge by simply reviewing the plans.
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In Florida, many engineers go in front of the Board of Engineers because of code violations or problems with residential plans. I do not like to work with residential contractors nor like to do residential. They never want to compensate engineers to perform the proper job. That is why they resort, in many instances, to engineers who would do them as a side job. At least this is my experience in my area.
Regards,
Lutfi
www.cdeco.com