Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
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I mostly deal with marine Diesels, but we do an occasional terrestrial application.
For instance these EMD engines:
s/n 80M37503
model 16-645BC
s/n 77D35003
model 16-645C
According to our EMD distributor, the 16-645BC was originally built in the late 40s or early 50s as a 16-567, and subsequently field- converted and uprated to a 16-645.
The 16-645C is a little newer, probably dating from late 50s to early 60s.
Both are Roots- blown two- strokes. Neither is turbocharged.
The engines are in a mill somewhere in Canada, and we're intending to build new exhaust stacks for them. Yes, we're in Florida. Nothing unusual there, we do business all over the world. We work from drawings, or cad files, or measurements, or prototypes made of plastic drain pipe, whatever it takes.
Just one small problem: We haven't been able to find drawings, or even photographs, of what the exhaust stack connections look like.
Yes, I've Googled the hell out of the subject. Yes, the owner has been contacted, but so far has not been able to produce anything that's useful for our purposes. EMD is in transition right now, and has apparently long since discharged anyone who might even know where to look. I've found a fair amount of information among hobbyist sites for newer engines, most turbocharged.
Anyone have photos or drawings of something similar? Or clues? Or rocks that I haven't looked under? Thanks.
For instance these EMD engines:
s/n 80M37503
model 16-645BC
s/n 77D35003
model 16-645C
According to our EMD distributor, the 16-645BC was originally built in the late 40s or early 50s as a 16-567, and subsequently field- converted and uprated to a 16-645.
The 16-645C is a little newer, probably dating from late 50s to early 60s.
Both are Roots- blown two- strokes. Neither is turbocharged.
The engines are in a mill somewhere in Canada, and we're intending to build new exhaust stacks for them. Yes, we're in Florida. Nothing unusual there, we do business all over the world. We work from drawings, or cad files, or measurements, or prototypes made of plastic drain pipe, whatever it takes.
Just one small problem: We haven't been able to find drawings, or even photographs, of what the exhaust stack connections look like.
Yes, I've Googled the hell out of the subject. Yes, the owner has been contacted, but so far has not been able to produce anything that's useful for our purposes. EMD is in transition right now, and has apparently long since discharged anyone who might even know where to look. I've found a fair amount of information among hobbyist sites for newer engines, most turbocharged.
Anyone have photos or drawings of something similar? Or clues? Or rocks that I haven't looked under? Thanks.
Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA





RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Are you talking about the exhaust manifold flange? I'm afraid I don't know anything about these engines. Once you fab a piece to connect to the manifold the rest would be relatively easy as you probably know.
Are these used in the locomotive engines? Do you know if the exhaust manifold would be the same in the locomotive body as your aplication. We have a locomotive roundhouse here in town that rebuilds EMD locomotive engines, maybe that would give you a different direction to search. (That is what made me think of this possibility)
P.S. Do you know of any good thermal blanket companies to recomend in the West or Midwest? Or do you build blankets also?
Good luck,
dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
I've found a few locomotive shop manuals and operator manuals, for turbocharged versions.
Yes, we make blankets. Call Dave Cook at 954-763-3005.
Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
We repair/fabricate some of the exhaust for our old engines. As we weld on pipelines, we "think" we are good metal fabricators. Sometimes the exhaust systems work better than others. [shrug] However we do need blankets sometimes.
Good Luck,
dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Not to say that welding is easy, but the actual welding is the easy part. Squeezing a big pipe into a little room that's already full of engine is the hard part.
We get a lot of business from guys who build their own pipes first.
Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Where in Canada is this engine?
dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
[ I'm amazed that anyone would have any quantity of pipe that large just lying around. ]
Now, all we have to quote on is the hospital grade silencers ( a residential area has grown around the site ) and blankets, for some unknown quantity of pipe and some unknown quantity of elbows of unknown radius. Ah, business as usual.
Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
dwedel
Hotrod Big Engines!
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RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
But I know a few people, and they know a few people, etc.
If Tuthill can't help, call me at the office, and we'll talk. Extension 307.
Mike Halloran
NOT speaking for
DeAngelo Marine Exhaust Inc.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Try contacting Valre.Holman@vdda.com
Phone# (909) 681-9283
RE: Older EMD 567/645 engines? Drawings? Photos?
Our customer got sticker- shocked by the price of hospital grade mufflers, and elected to do something else. Other customers elected to do something else too, so I'm between jobs, again.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA