Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
(OP)
Cross-posting this to the water-treatment forum as well...
I've been approached by a representative for Ener-Tec, offering their "Linear Kinetic Cell" non-chemical water treatment. This appears to be an electromagnet and is alleged to cause minerals to "behave like tiny magnets when exposed to the electromagnetic energy field. This energy is sufficient to align the dipoles, forming a molecular chain, and these minerals will no longer form scale."
I'll keep my initial opinions to myself and simply ask for professional experiences and opinions based on facts. Has anyone had any dealings with this company and/or its products? Weigh in with positives and negatives? To me, this sounds like it defies the laws of physics and chemistry; does it?
Many thanks in advance
I've been approached by a representative for Ener-Tec, offering their "Linear Kinetic Cell" non-chemical water treatment. This appears to be an electromagnet and is alleged to cause minerals to "behave like tiny magnets when exposed to the electromagnetic energy field. This energy is sufficient to align the dipoles, forming a molecular chain, and these minerals will no longer form scale."
I'll keep my initial opinions to myself and simply ask for professional experiences and opinions based on facts. Has anyone had any dealings with this company and/or its products? Weigh in with positives and negatives? To me, this sounds like it defies the laws of physics and chemistry; does it?
Many thanks in advance
"Eat well, exercise regularly, die anyways."





RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
1/ Does the unit have any approvals for it's intended purpose from a recognized body such as CSA, ASME, UL, etc. (Not that I know of.) I saw one once with a CSA sticker on the side of it, but it was for the electrical components, since it plugged into a 120V wall outlet. The approval sticker had nothing to do with the supposed function of the unit.
2/ Have any manufacturers of equipment like boilers, chillers, cooling towers etc approved this device for use on their equipment? (Not that I know of.)
3/ How do you test the unit to ensure it's working/still working? (I've never seen one with a test.)
Caveat emptor.
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
Thanks again
"Eat well, exercise regularly, die anyways."
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
"Eat well, exercise regularly, die anyways."
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
I always stick with the documentation aspect. They've either got it, or they don't. If they've got it, (I've been promised documentation a few times, but oddly enough never heard from the people flogging the particular "device" again.) it can easily be verified. If the MBA/accounting people keep pushing for the "big dollar savings" that are being dangled by the vendor, you've got a perfectly valid technical position: "You want me to use an unapproved water treatment device with NO documentation on this VERY expensive (and often high pressure) equipment? Really?"
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RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
You'll be referred to or taken to plants where the systems are clean, or "cleaned-up". Why are they clean/now clean? Was the root problem mechanical (75% of the time, it is) and that situation was corrected? Or was it people who didn't know how to properly run a chemical water treatment program.
The manufacturers of these devices thrive on confusion. In the meeting, you will be put into the position, in front of your financial people (most of whom couldn't tell a circuit breaker from a pipe hanger), of having to disprove the vendor's claims. Unless you want to spend endless hours arguing with chemical goon-babble nonsense, stick with the documentation position. If you get pressed to "dig deeper" by your higher-ups, get the printed "technical explaination" of how these things are supposed to work, and show it to a chemist. Don't pick a water treatment chemist, because they'll be viewed as "tainted". Take it to a nearby university chemistry department. Watch the professor's face as he reads the material. My favourite is the "eye roll".
Insist on valid documentation before you spend 10 more seconds investigating this device. You'll save a LOT of time. Otherwise, prepare to spend countless hours trying to explain, to non-technical people, that there is no scientific basis demonstrating that "pryamid power" works.
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
2- I am dealing with small boilers for 30 years and I have seen water softeners and the so called inline pipes in the eighties and now thew new "cells",
softeners seem to do the job better if you maintain them correctly and test your water daily.
and I also have experience with the "pipes" and I have seen a lot of boilers get destroyed by them.
The so called "Cells" seem to work in the same principle and in my opinion they just do not work.
I heard that a couple years ago, the 2 300hp boilers at the GETTY museum in L.A. had to be retubed for they had used
the cells or pipes (I believe they moved to std, softeners with chemicals.
ER
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
There are also any number of codes and regulations that I'm not familiar with, so that's why I wrote "etc" on the end of my little list, to leave it open for any recognized, applicable code body.
RE: Seeking opinions/experiences on Ener-Tec LKC non-chem water treatment
Found one with links.
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/magscams.html